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[Mechanoid]

A giant sloped ramp and staircase combo, possibly T or U-shaped, where the fortress entrance is located in the middle of the ramp area.

Side-view of a T shape, where the top of the T is the ramp up/down, and the other is your actual fort entrance:
[SURFACE]
  #\
  ##\
  ###\ .   <- [FORT]
  #######\
  ########\
  #########\
      [UNDERGROUND]

The only problem with that though is the underground gets cut off when you get a seige, since there's only one way in/out of the fort. Though, technically, you'd want a second entrance into the underground that's closed 90% of the time anyways, so that then invaders from the surface would be forced to trek through the (hopefully grue-filled) underdark of the world, since your main easy-surface-access doors are closed and barred.

[zwei]

Multiple entrances, definitelly.

I already have nice blueprint for them:

Basically, guardhouse with small barracks, dining hall and archery target. Inluding ammo and food stockpiles, of course. Designed to be manned by two to four dwarves.

Add moat/wall/dog stealth detectors/gemlin&building destroyer traps for complete setup.

My plan is to build them 20 to 30 tiles from edges where possible. mainly, to make sure i can have "invader fun" while keeping miners who will dig veins inside my territory safe (unless guardhouse is overrun).

[Deon]

Apparently you can assign dwarves to burrows, and if they are military dwarves they will aggro anything within that burrow.

I hadn't heard that burrows did that, though.  Do you know whether they will attack any enemy as soon as they enter the burrow, or as soon as they enter eyesight?  Either way, the burrow system will be wonderful...so many uses for it.

In dev_now there's a Toady One's comment on this:

You can set your squads to defend any number of burrows as an order in their schedules. If there's nothing going on, they'll pick a square somewhere in their designated zone and hang out, eventually moving on to another zone location. There's less movement than with a patrol, but they still get around quite a bit. If a non-ambushing opponent enters any of their defended burrows, they'll head for the trouble. The schedules can be varied by the alert state, so you can change the defense patterns depending on what's going on.

Thus I will have:
1) Aboveground fort (AF)

• trader, woodworking, clothmaking, farming etc.

2) Underground fort (UF)

• mining, metalworking, gemcutting etc. + dungeon and nobles

3) A passage between them, patrolled by fortress guards

Then I will have 3 alert states:
1) General

• 1/2 military at a burrow at gates of AF
• 1/2 military at a burrow at gates of UF
• fortress guards at a burrow at gates leading from AF to UF, patrolling down
• royal guards at a burrow at gates leading from UF to AF, patrolling up

2) Siege

• all military moves to the aboveground burrow, guards stay as they are

3)Underground attack

• all military moves underground, fortress guard relocates to the AF gates

Someday, when the underground is safe or you run out of space, you can convert the design to cover the open air pit and build high into the sky.

I can't find the post right now, but Toady One said that it's impossible to defeat the underground life totally. They will arrive from the map edges underground as goblins do aboveground so you will have Fun all the time.

[Hondo]

I'm gonna make a light border patrol that walks the surface edges to get rid of ambushers and elves. They'll live in a cool bunker outpost with its own small hospital and armory and farm. When a siege comes I'll hole them up inside and they can live off their enormous booze vault until the regular army makes it safe again.

[Kidiri]

Deon, what if there's a simultaneous aboveground and subterranean threat?

[Sutremaine]

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..........
____......
####\___>_
#___/###X#
#___O|##X#
##|##__ X#
##___O_\<_
Translation: anything coming off a subterranean map edge has to come above ground to path into the single main entrance.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

Lava moats.
We all know that if a problem presents itself, it can be solved by copious amounts of magma.

[Funk]

as we get burrows it plan to build a net work of tunnels linked to a main base.
i plan to fill it with spike traps

[Deon]

Deon, what if there's a simultaneous aboveground and subterranean threat?

Then it's a time for Fun!
Seriously, it's just a quick plan, for sure new drill options and type of the map will add much more adjustments. There's no said limit to 3 alert states in the next version .

[Calenth]

My general plan is to build my fort with both an above-ground and an underground "entrance," then dig from there. Doing a combined entrance means that an attack from either above or below will cut you off -- separate entrances means that you'd only be blocked off if sieged from above and below simultaneously.

[RedKing]

I try to do my forts pretty organically, working as much of the natural terrain into it as possible. Surface entrances are usually built into a low cliff face or consists of a guarded bastion over a ramp down into the upper levels, which is usually surrounded by another layer of surface defenses (walls and natural cliffs which have been smoothed off to prevent egress until goblins learn how to rappel).

So for the Underworld entrances, I'll probably look for a suitable natural cavern and expand it a bit into a fortified bastion with a permanent guard presence. Although I have to say, I'm tempted to build my entrance down into a really big cavern with a long ladder (stair-stack) in the middle, with isolated archer posts along the walls of the cavern. That way if a big gallumphing Mome Wrath or what have you tries to scale my ladder up into the fort, my archer sentries can pepper it with bolts all the way up.

[Hyndis]

Deon, what if there's a simultaneous aboveground and subterranean threat?

This is why I'm planning two different military squads. Surface guys who keep the surface covered with goblin pieces, and then an underground military to fend off any threats from below.

[Calenth]

I try to do my forts pretty organically, working as much of the natural terrain into it as possible. Surface entrances are usually built into a low cliff face or consists of a guarded bastion over a ramp down into the upper levels, which is usually surrounded by another layer of surface defenses (walls and natural cliffs which have been smoothed off to prevent egress until goblins learn how to rappel).

So for the Underworld entrances, I'll probably look for a suitable natural cavern and expand it a bit into a fortified bastion with a permanent guard presence. Although I have to say, I'm tempted to build my entrance down into a really big cavern with a long ladder (stair-stack) in the middle, with isolated archer posts along the walls of the cavern. That way if a big gallumphing Mome Wrath or what have you tries to scale my ladder up into the fort, my archer sentries can pepper it with bolts all the way up.

yeah, one thing that bothers me about the new underground (though i admit it's realistic) is that it'll be difficult to "place" my fort's underground entrance "correctly" so as to utilize the underground features to best advantage.

What I expect I'll do is drive an exploratory stair straight down 15-odd levels right off, just to see what I discover.

[de5me7]

a sensible option me thinks would be to have a main entrance that forks, one way towards underground and mines, other towards habitable fort and workshops. However i recon ill go for multiple entrances cos it'l be more interesting

[Goran]

Narrow bridges over ravines.... fall, splat, fun...