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[Zantan]

The next version will have several layers of underground caves with useful resources and wandering monsters.  This forces fortresses to choose between:

• having multiple guarded fort entrances (most potential for Fun)
• having one entrance, but long walks required to get to the caves (efficient defense, inefficient access to underground features)
• having multiple entrances, but wall off the underground near the edges so no monsters can path from the edge into your fort (practical, but lame)

How is everyone planning to design their forts based on this?

[kaypy]

• having one entrance, but long walks required to get to the caves (efficient defense, inefficient access to underground features)

I have to say that making your workers leave your fort defenses before the lengthy trek to the underground seems to have at plenty of 'fun' potential, too...

Another possibility is to wall off an 'inside underground' after connecting the 'outside underground' to 'outside aboveground' thus routing all challengers to the 'siegers entrance'

[Hondo]

Internal openings to the underground, guards and simple defensive architecture only. No traps, walls, locked doors, or killzones. I need to train my doctors, after all.

[Hyndis]

I'll probably rely mostly on my military for defense in the new build. I'll likely have two groups as well. The surface guys who defend the fortress from goblins and elves will have a barracks up in an impressive tower. The only entrance to the fortress from the top will contain both the barracks and the entrance to the fort itself, as well as the trade depot.

Then I will have an underground military squad. I hear there will be invasions from below now, so thats what this second squad would defend against.

Fortress guards, if I can, would be on general search and destroy duty. Apparently you can assign dwarves to burrows, and if they are military dwarves they will aggro anything within that burrow. If I could do this with my military dwarves they would be on search and destroy for their assigned area. This would work great for the surface guards, and for the regular fortress guards I could put their burrow as the entire map, so they would function sort of like a police and backup forward that would attack any hostiles, eventually, and help back up the regular military dwarves.

[eerr]

Central pit which will someday house the main fort.

Nearby, is the entrance to the regular, non-dangerous fortress.

Therefore workers won't have to walk too far to get into the mines, but the monsters may also pop up conveniently at the entrance.


Someday, when the underground is safe or you run out of space, you can convert the design to cover the open air pit and build high into the sky.

[Demonic Gophers]

I have widely varied plans, especially for some of my modded civilizations.  There'd one that will generally be moving into camps constructed in the caverns at the first possible opportunity, and depending primarily on soldiers and magma for protection. Another is likely to build a guarded, open pit with stairs or ramps, located in the middle of an above-ground city.

For dwarves, it'll depend on the terrain and my plans for the fortress.

[Im_Sparks]

I'll plan on having a wide and winding path down to the caverns.

Wait I'll draw it. Give me a few hours.

[Zantan]

Apparently you can assign dwarves to burrows, and if they are military dwarves they will aggro anything within that burrow.

I hadn't heard that burrows did that, though.  Do you know whether they will attack any enemy as soon as they enter the burrow, or as soon as they enter eyesight?  Either way, the burrow system will be wonderful...so many uses for it.

[RedWarrior0]

I would use some combination. It would include an entrance to the surface, an entrance to the caverns, and a long tunnel outside the fortress, with an entrance in the middle that is usually shut. When an underground siege appears, close the underground entrance and mass troops on the aboveground gate. When aboveground siegers come, do the opposite. When both show up, I lock both and open the middle one.

[Bricks]

I'll probably slowly edge forward, clearing out more and more when it's safe.  I'd like to do a minimal-digging game, only going deep into cave walls to find ore and features.

[Morrigi]

Are traps being changed at all? Just wondering..

[Zantan]

They're certainly due for some rebalancing soon, but I don't think they're changing at all in the next version.

[Cespinarve]

I think I'll have an above ground and bellow ground forth, and ever season or two I'll have them switch burrows.

[MrWiggles]

A trap rebalance will come during or after siege improvement, as that will have smarter sieger to deal with traps.

[bombcar]

I'm probably looking at "emergency doors" and other things; the burrow design will naturally lead to areas that can be closed of if necessary.