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[Ieb]

Oh snaps, I forgot to mention about them being fungi. I was going to, seriously! I think I forgot about that by the second line though.

Would ork's in DF world first start with wooden gear, work up to copper, then to iron and finally to steel though?

[ungulateman]

^ They likely would find the HFS, krum da squiggly flamin fings an' take deir stuff ta da mekshop for sum flash dakka.

*Brain sizzles*

Wow, Orky overload.

[Loyal]

For the first few years, or until I get 3 champions with slashing weapons, I just turtle, draw them in, and then shoot them. It's not very much fun, but it's the only way to live.

This is why I've done many other things to dig deeper orcs. Looking through the raws I really have to wonder if the maker ever did any remarkable playtesting or had any goal in mind while making them other than "bigger, badder goblins".

[nowanmai]

Makes me stop and think. 
Aww, f*ck no, I'm good with orcs and how are they now. I might be drunk as any dwarf, but for f*cks sake don't make 'em like that! 
I like the Tolkienesque orcs better.
Besides, the thread name was a mistype, as I was drunk also, so that kinda also. 
Peace out to all the f*cked up dwarves, who consume too much of any given substance! 

[Mr.Elendig]

I don't mind the [trAPAVOID], it doesn't seem to matter when the orcs suddently find themself airborne over a 23 Z-level artificial chasm.

[wagawaga]

Time to mod orcs to have [FLIER] and some other tags...

[Grendus]

The point of [trAPAVOID] wasn't to be realistic, it was to force players away from the loltraps defenses that are so common. You have to grow a beard and take the orcs in hand to hand combat, or else out engineer them with a ridiculously complicated trap like a magma path, drowning pit, or landmines. If you can't do that, orcs aren't for you, simple as that. Without trapavoid, orcs are just goblins without snatchers.

[wagawaga]

The point of [trAPAVOID] wasn't to be realistic, it was to force players away from the loltraps defenses that are so common. You have to grow a beard and take the orcs in hand to hand combat, or else out engineer them with a ridiculously complicated trap like a magma path, drowning pit, or landmines. If you can't do that, orcs aren't for you, simple as that. Without trapavoid, orcs are just goblins without snatchers.

True, that's the essence of orcs.
I can't wait for sieges to get improved.
I want armies of mersoldiers raising from the sea because a guy wanted to farm their bones,
and Goblins digging random tunnels in the mountain until they end up in a HFS!


Off topic, did anyone notice that when anyone tries to write [trAPAVOID] the "tr" part is always in lower case, even if typed in upper case?

[Cypress]

Oh snaps, I forgot to mention about them being fungi. I was going to, seriously! I think I forgot about that by the second line though.

Would ork's in DF world first start with wooden gear, work up to copper, then to iron and finally to steel though?

They'd probably make rock shootas and choppas. Remember, thanks to their retcon, ork weapons work because they know they'll work, not because they have anything as complected as...moving parts

[Loyal]

The point of [trAPAVOID] wasn't to be realistic, it was to force players away from the loltraps defenses that are so common. You have to grow a beard and take the orcs in hand to hand combat, or else out engineer them with a ridiculously complicated trap like a magma path, drowning pit, or landmines. If you can't do that, orcs aren't for you, simple as that. Without trapavoid, orcs are just goblins without snatchers.

I would buy this as acceptable except for a small issue;

Orcs are strong enough that an engineered trap is the only way to deal with them until your dwarves are strong enough that they are no longer a concern. Have you looked at their RAW entries? No fear, no pain, large size, default attack with the same damage as carp, lockpicking, metal_pref, and that's just off the top of my head. They are not "just goblins without snatchers,", they are juggernauts. Each one is likely capable of taking at least an average of 3 dwarves, assuming that the dwarves themselves are pretty average and not superpowered champions.

Let Goblins have the trapavoid, Orcs are nasty enough without it.

[100killer9]

They have building destroyer 1 in the new version.
And plus, traps are top broken either way, able to annahilate orcs and goblins alike. So, the stronger force should get trapavoid.

[Argonnek]

Off topic, did anyone notice that when anyone tries to write [trAPAVOID] the "tr" part is always in lower case, even if typed in upper case?

The lower-case "tr" thing is just a forum bug, nothing to be concerned about. Nothing at all...

[Loyal]

And plus, traps are top broken either way, able to annahilate orcs and goblins alike.

Traps are a problem; however, rendering them altogether useless is not the solution, considering, again, how ridiculous Orcs are as written. Don't like traps? Don't use them!

Besides, what makes drowning contraptions acceptable when regular traps aren't? Both are 100% effective against anything that can't avoid it ([FLIER] for the first, [trAPAVOID] for the second), and the only thing the first requires is a token knowledge of machinery and an infinite source of water, since it's not like you'll ever run out of space. Citing 'effort' as a reason is pure semantics when the end result is the same.