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[Gavinfoxx]

I think the whole "cooking alcohol to have 5 times the food" thing is an exploit at best, and very implausible.  Perhaps alcohol should not be cookable in any way without changing an init file or entering a cheat? that would make agriculture often have more varieties of other food, and add a little bit of depth to the cooking and milling. Perhaps something can be done to make the mill more useful?

[JT]

I think the eventual plan is to make alcohol a sort of "essence".  To cook, you need a material, and can add an essence to improve the flavour.  Thus, someone could make rum-cooked plump helmets (mmm!), but couldn't make rum-cooked rum ("isn't that, like, just warm rum?").

[schnobs]

Someone already has suggested spices; I don't know what became of the idea or if it was discussed at all. But beverages could well be spices: adding one unit of beer, wine, etc for flavor should be alright, but as far as substance goes, it shouldn't add to the outcome:

5 Something + 5 Other + 1 Drink = 10 Meals

I'd hate it if a cook would pour a full barrel into a meal, though.

[Chthon]

Yes, I agree.

On a similar topic, brewers should be able to take partially filled barrels of alcohol, and brew more to save space.  (not sure if that's realistic)

If that's not realistic, then maybe organize the alcohol stockpile AI such that dwarves do not drink straight from the tap.  They use a mug/flask/tankard, fill it up, and then go drink it in the dining room.  When choosing a barrel, they choose any alcohol type they want, but use the one with the least amount of alcohol first.  This way you can more consistantly keep up with demand without having 50 barrels with one unit of alcohol each keeping you from brewing more.

[schnobs]

So it's normal that dwarves stick their heads into the barrels? I always thought it was a mistake on my part, lacking a mugshop or something.

[Wang Commander]

I have a huge mug industry to use up rocks and one noble who is obsessed with moonstone and mugs has a huge moonstone mug collection that totally fills her quarters.

[Chariot]

quote:Originally posted by JT:
<STRONG>...but couldn't make rum-cooked rum ("isn't that, like, just warm rum?").</STRONG>

Butter-dipped-butter   :p

[Erasmus Darwin]

quote:Originally posted by schnobs:
<STRONG>adding one unit of beer, wine, etc for flavor should be alright, but as far as substance goes, it shouldn't add to the outcome:

5 Something + 5 Other + 1 Drink = 10 Meals</STRONG>

While it's not particularly nutritious, alcohol is high in calories.  I think it should contribute to the total amount of food produced.

[Grek]

You can use alcohol to make stew.

25 ale + 7 mule meat + 4 mule tallow = *mule tallow stew* (36).

[ctrlfrk]

Maybe cooking shouldn't completely conserve mass...
like:
Easy Meal: FoodA + FlavourA|FoodB = 1*Biscuit (Value = 2 (For easy) * (FoodA.Value + (FlavourA|FoodB).Value))

Normal Meal: FoodA + FlavourA|FoodB + FlavourB|FoodC= 1*Stew
(Value = 3 (For normal) * (FoodA.Value + (FlavourA|FoodB).Value) + (FlavourB|FoodC).Value))

So a Plump helmet roast seasoned with 3 spices worth 10 each would be:
4*(2+10+10+10) => 128 Value
But you would only get 1 unit of food. Not 4.

Just like a roast of 4 plump helmets would be
4*(2+2+2+2) => 32 Value
So one 32 value item, rather than four 2 value items.

The question is whether shrooms are better in high quantities, or high quality.

[herrbdog]

quote:Originally posted by ctrlfrk:
<STRONG>The question is whether shrooms are better in high quantities, or high quality.</STRONG>

I can't help it...

...quality shrooms, yeah, beats quantity, unless you juts don't have enough, then I guess quantity beats quality...

Man, I wish I had some!

[Abyssal Squid]

quote:Originally posted by Erasmus Darwin:
<STRONG>

While it's not particularly nutritious, alcohol is high in calories.  I think it should contribute to the total amount of food produced.</STRONG>

Alcohol is very volatile and boils off very quickly.  That's why you have to add vanilla and other extracts at the very end, or else all the alcohol boils away, taking the extract with it.  Alcoholic beverages when used as an ingredient have no alcohol left in them.

[herrbdog]

I use beer when I make pancakes all the time, instead of water.

1c. Flour
1/4c. Sugar
1 Egg
1c. Beer!
1/2tsp. Salt
1/2tsp. Baking Powder

My pancakes are super fluffy, but don't taste like beer. Besides it's a great way to get rid of the crap beer my friends like to bring over... (I am a beer snob.)

[schnobs]

quote:Originally posted by Abyssal Squid:
<STRONG>Alcohol is very volatile and boils off very quickly.</STRONG>

But man doesn't live off booze alone...

I don't know if its merely a catholic thing or maybe even specific to southern germany. But people liked to cheat during Lent. For example with "Lent Beers", traditionally brewed at monasteries. These beers not only deliver calories (in the form of sugar and a higher than usual content of alcohol), they are as nutritious as beer can get, with enough solid matter dissolved in them that they're approaching the consistency of a thin soup. Anyway, it was a drink, so it didn't break the fast.

Still, would it make much of a difference (other than taste) if you used such a beer in your pancakes instead of the more common stuff?