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------ Haiku, the encore -----

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[Sean Mirrsen]

I see nothing wrong with the GTA "genre" at all. A wide open sandbox with a main quest and a multitude of various side-questy thingies that can make you enjoy the usual "drive around killing stuff" in a new way. In an interesting genre twist, GTA:SA has a lot in common with... X3. X3 is just the same, if you really think about it. Arbitrary limits imposed by the main quest, wide open sandbox of space to fly around in, things to shoot, side missions to complete, even ships to "steal" - or rather, hijack. There's more to it, of course, but the only thing separating X3 from GTA is the "trading" part of its genre description.

[Siquo]

The GTA sidequests are ok, it's the "clones" I mentioned that have the sloppy ones. Guerilla had a few different ones, but they were generally attack, defend, destroy or race. Any of the above, and all beatable with one single strategy.

[Draco18s]

completionists

*Evil grin*
Flash game I'm working on I've dubbed "Impossible Dungeon."  Completing the game will be easy to do (not trivial, but can be done without finding the vast array of secrets), but 100% completion will be borderline impossible (that is, mathematically possible, and no game logic will preclude it*).

Of course...it will be possible to get over 100% completion as well, but it would require playing the game more than once.

Oh, and I'm actively working to keep it from being "Guide, Dang It possible" (that is, a guide would be of limited use, assuming someone managed to figure it all out their information would be borderline unhelpful to someone else).

My challenge will be making it fun for the casual player.

*By which I mean that doing X will prevent you from doing Y and doing Y prevents doing X.  Nothing like that.  There are a few "oops, its gone" spots, but not many.

[Sean Mirrsen]

The penultimate "un-guide-able" game would have to be like a very good roguelike. It'd have to simply adhere to some basic rules, but everything else in the game would have to be different every time it's played. Including plot. In a way, it'll have to be what DF Adventure mode is aimed to become.

[Draco18s]

The penultimate "un-guide-able" game would have to be like a very good roguelike. It'd have to simply adhere to some basic rules, but everything else in the game would have to be different every time it's played. Including plot. In a way, it'll have to be what DF Adventure mode is aimed to become.

Oh, no.  Not at all.  Because this is flash I have a very cruel way to make the game not-random from one play to another:
Every user has their "dungeon" randomized.  Once.  Ever.  Then its the same for every playthrough.

The the single user it will appear to be static and unchanging (this makes the game possible to learn, take notes for, and beat), but as soon as they compare to another user you'll notice the randomization: nothing will match up.

Currently there is a flaw making it possible to map things (at least in the "if you see this, then the puzzle is X" sense), but I don't mind.  I plan on randomizing that to a degree as well, but I think its no feasible with my current data structure.  It's also a minimum of twice as much dungeon design work.

I suspect that it will take a wiki and a few dozen dedicated players to actually map out the whole game for the 100% completion (the reward is the Infinity Sword...and another boss).

[dogstile]

The GTA sidequests are ok, it's the "clones" I mentioned that have the sloppy ones. Guerilla had a few different ones, but they were generally attack, defend, destroy or race. Any of the above, and all beatable with one single strategy.

It was still fun. That's the point.

The first and second GTA's aren't even similar to the current GTA's in any way.

Plus, it's unusual to list GTA 1 as a 'clone', since I don't think it's possible to copy yourself.

That's not true.  In every GTA game you play a criminal in a large mostly open environment with lots of cars you can steal, people you can kill, gangs you can piss off, and cops who can chase you.

Oh no! They stuck with a working formula and made it better. Oh, lets add this to the list of things that piss people off. I mean, its obviously a bad thing to stick with whats fun.

Either you're being sarcastic for no apparent reason or I have to ask you why on earth you would think this is a good idea.

Fenrif, you are also wrong.  Most Spiderman games were not really free roaming sand box style games.  Just Spiderman 2 for PS2 and a couple other recent ones.

Sarcastic for no reason, i was in a horrible mood when i posted that.

[sproingie]

I can't compare my nethack or angband maps either ... How is randomizing once going to make it fundamentally different than randomizing it every time? 

If you just make the game gratuitously hard, like "you stepped in direction X, a trap slices your head off, you die, game over" then well, you've got a hard game no one will want to play.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I can't compare my nethack or angband maps either ... How is randomizing once going to make it fundamentally different than randomizing it every time? 

If you just make the game gratuitously hard, like "you stepped in direction X, a trap slices your head off, you die, game over" then well, you've got a hard game no one will want to play.

Like IWBTG?

[sproingie]

I just discovered IWBTG recently on youtube ... I always figured the people who actually get through more than three screens have actually programmed an AI bot to play it.  It makes Super Asshole Mario look like Desert Bus.  As a work of pastiche parody art tho, it's about the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.

[Cthulhu]

I made it all the way to Mother Brain in I Wanna Be The Guy.  I sort of cheated, I was on the easier difficulty with more save points, and I used tape to mark where the teleporting platform landed, although I didn't keep it the whole time.  After a while I gave up on the tape and memorized where the platform teleported.

[Huesoo]

This thread has given me high blood pressure from the rage. I can feel the blood pumping in my eyelid.

[Draco18s]

I can't compare my nethack or angband maps either ... How is randomizing once going to make it fundamentally different than randomizing it every time? 

If you just make the game gratuitously hard, like "you stepped in direction X, a trap slices your head off, you die, game over" then well, you've got a hard game no one will want to play.

Nonono.  By randomizing it between users you can't make a walkthrough that helps anyone but yourself.  And the game isn't out to kill you, so its not IWBTG hard.

It's like The Tower of Druaga.

I just discovered IWBTG recently on youtube ... I always figured the people who actually get through more than three screens have actually programmed an AI bot to play it.  It makes Super Asshole Mario look like Desert Bus.  As a work of pastiche parody art tho, it's about the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.

The first three screens are quite doable, even on Hard/Impossible mode.  Most people just play on Easy so they don't have to repeat everything all the time.  In the first three screens there's remarkably little that'll kill you.

[Antioch]

I made it to the final boss (the guy) but was never able to beat him, as he is even more insanely hard then the other bosses

[Mortesphere]

Supcom 2 has been looking really disappointing. I'll be really pissed off if it is what it looks like.

[Soulwynd]

On the DRM subject, Assassin's creed 2 drm model was cracked in one day, silent hunter 5 also uses it. So I believe we will have a day-0 crack for Assassin's creed 2.

You know what's ironic? The crack allows you to play offline, ubisoft does not.