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------ Haiku, the encore -----

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[ggamer]

I think the latest game that adressed those problems was Portal 2. Intuitive puzzels, great gameplay and storyline on multiple levels, a myriad of ways to solve each problem, and Stephen Merchant.

[Draco18s]

I think the latest game that adressed those problems was Portal 2. Intuitive puzzels, great gameplay and storyline on multiple levels, a myriad of ways to solve each problem, and Stephen Merchant.

But.
But.
Portal 2 was easy.

They over-playtested it.  If people stared at a wall too long they put a sign on it telling them where to go.

[Soulwynd]

@Draco18s
But that's against the point. I don't want to support their DRM scheme. The only way I can do that is by not buying their stuff.

@NewsMuffin
Steam doesn't remove DRM. Every game that has DRM outside steam either has a notice that it uses 3rd party DRM or switched to Steamworks, which is DRM all the same. Steam games still have Securom and other crap going on.

I think the latest game that adressed those problems was Portal 2. Intuitive puzzels, great gameplay and storyline on multiple levels, a myriad of ways to solve each problem, and Stephen Merchant.

I think you confused the two... Portal 2 only had 2 maps which had alternative solutions to the puzzles. Portal 1 on the other hand, was the perfect puzzler, with the twitchy reaction requirement.

[Darkmere]

Hadn't seen the thread before. Just curious, do you realize what you sound like when you rant about how smart you are while calling people retards and using homophobic slurs for everyone who doesn't agree with you? I realize this was made more than a year ago, but wow, way to lay ignorance out in the open like that. Classy.

[Draco18s]

Hadn't seen the thread before. Just curious, do you realize what you sound like when you rant about how smart you are while calling people retards and using homophobic slurs for everyone who doesn't agree with you? I realize this was made more than a year ago, but wow, way to lay ignorance out in the open like that. Classy.

And who are you addressing?

It's common courtesy to quote an example.

[Darkmere]

Hadn't seen the thread before. Just curious, do you realize what you sound like when you rant about how smart you are while calling people retards and using homophobic slurs for everyone who doesn't agree with you? I realize this was made more than a year ago, but wow, way to lay ignorance out in the open like that. Classy.

And who are you addressing?

It's common courtesy to quote an example.

The OP specifically, I suppose. I was reading the first post to get an idea of the thread, and was greeted with loud whining and insults. I sort of agree on a few points, but the phrasing was pretty sad.

[Draco18s]

The OP specifically, I suppose. I was reading the first post to get an idea of the thread, and was greeted with loud whining and insults. I sort of agree on a few points, but the phrasing was pretty sad.

And that's why quotes are good.  That post is 6 months and 58 pages of thread ago.

[Darkmere]

So, assuming I don't want to read 58 pages of thread to catch up, where would I begin?

[Draco18s]

So, assuming I don't want to read 58 pages of thread to catch up, where would I begin?

Here, the first post since February.

[Soulwynd]

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[Frumple]

Do not pick a fight or insult another poster.  Do not continue a fight if you feel you have been insulted.  Report it to the moderator.  If you instead respond in kind, you run the risk of being considered part of the problem.

Despite its prevalence on the internet, bigoted language is frowned upon here.  Do not go there.

Nobody's right, if everybody's wrong~

So. Anyone have anything substantial to add to the discussion? At all? Maybe consider locking the thread and letting it die if there isn't, neh?

[Darkmere]

Flamewar wankery aside, the always-online DRM thing reminded me of something posted elsewhere on this forum a short while ago.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-most-ominous-trends-in-video-games/

Yeah, it's Cracked, but the points are valid. 5 and 4 more directly, though the rest are relevant to the thread. I can't say I've bought anything with that kind of DRM lately though, I assume it's still in warez on release day, or soon after?

Also, it kinda bugs me that "social gaming" (read: farmville) is already being touted as the next big thing. It makes me worry that in the future most games will be some collection of ill-designed crap shoveled out the door every 6 months.

[Soulwynd]

Silent Hunter was released with the crack before it was released officially. So yes, It's usually very close to release, be it before, day0 or after. Ubi's piracy excuse is simply not true.

I still haven't had a problem with social gaming, as far as I know, since it hasn't really reached the games I actually enjoy. But, ironically, I think I would use your description for most games right now, at least as far as gameplay goes. A lot of them is loaded with story and artistic value but the gameplay is so simple I really can't enjoy that sort of thing.

The DLC trend is starting to annoy me, however. Specially day 0 DLC. Preorder bonuses that you cannot acquire in any other means other than actually preorder or use a 3rd party mod/crack are also extremely annoying. There was an argument that it was akin to a discount or a promotion, but that doesn't sit right with me. I mean, I understand the argument and I think it's valid, but it's still very annoying.

[Darkmere]

As far as content goes, I'm gonna stick with Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap."

To pick a common example.... eh, let's say Doom, which was released in 1993.

These were also released in 1993. I recognize almost none of them. (Also, I had no idea this existed...)

I can't justify spending what they say DLC's are worth, but I don't mind waiting on some stuff til GOTY editions to get it all cheap (Borderlands). The only really worth the money DLC's I can think of are Mass Effect 2's.

[Soulwynd]

I feel old now... I've played a lot of those '93 games. Soooo many good games in that list. Now I want to play them again. >.<

Edit:

Spoiler: List of awesome games from '93 (click to show/hide)

Alone in the Dark 2 (Not so awesome, but worth mentioning)
Betrayal at Krondor (played this one sooo freaking much)
BloodNet (No, they don't sparkle here)
Dungeon Hack (Granddaddy of 3d... dungeon hacks...)
Gabriel Knight (One of the best adventure games ever)
Jungle Strike (Arcade topdown heli scroller game. Played this too much back then)
Day of the Tentacle (<3)
Master of Orion (Still have it in my hdd)
Merchant Prince (Also on my hdd right now)
Nomad (Oooold space trading game)
Prince of Persia 2
Princess Maker 2 (still have in my hdd. xD)
Samurai Shodown (One of the very few fighting games I like)
Shadowrun SNES (Still have it on my hdd, played earlier this year. )
Stronghold (D&D building + strategy game. still have it)
Syndicate (I actually traded a game for this one back in the day)

I agree there are crappy games in every era of video games, the most prominent issue with old games being the interface in my point of view. A bad interface I can handle most of the time (see System Shock as a main example of a cluttered crazy interface on a truly awesome game), but the over simplification of the games in this modern era is quite offensive. I mean, they managed to dumb down DN3D when they made DNF.

I hope people don't screw the new Serious Sam.