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[LeoLeonardoIII]

Ah, Intellectual Property.

Step 1: I wants to make GM crops, but I can't patent so I can't make them pay for it.
Step 2: ~LOBBY TIME~
Step 3: Now I can patent my crop. Sell it to a few farmers who want the higher yields, tell them they can't save their seeds and they have to buy new every year.
Step 4: Cross-pollination means neighboring farmers' fields test positive for our GM crop. Time to sue for patent infringement!
Step 5: Just before the patent for Crop A is about to expire, create a slight variation and call it Crop B. Stop selling Crop A, sell only Crop B. Now the farmers are stuck under our new patent for a bunch of years!

I can't wait for them to start selling us air.

[Draco18s]

I can't wait for them to start selling us air.

*cough*

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I can't wait for them to start selling us air.

*cough*

At least they give us a jar to keep it in.

[Huesoo]

I can't wait for them to start selling us air.

*cough*

At least they give us a jar to keep it in.

If we didnt we would have to go through that wretched ARM.

[JoshuaFH]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

[Draco18s]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

That would be difficult for two reasons:

1) With the exception of vegetables, the edible part of the plant is some part of its reproductive system.

Notably some of these, the edible portion is the seed.

2) No one would buy them.

[Siquo]

We don't even need GM for that:
Bananas!

Intellectual property schmoperty.

[Zangi]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

That would be difficult for two reasons:

1) With the exception of vegetables, the edible part of the plant is some part of its reproductive system.

Notably some of these, the edible portion is the seed.

2) No one would buy them.

1) Who knows what science can do... give it a few yearsdecades.  People are out to screw other people for money, not so far fetched.

2) What if it tasted.... really good?  And/Or has addictive properties?

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

Actually, I think those already exist.

I'm having a hell of a time finding good info on them online though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocarpy  This is the most I could find.

I remember hearing though about companies converting undeveloped countries to using modern agriculture techniques and then selling them genetically modified crops that don't produce seeds so that they have to keep buying from the company.

[Aqizzar]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

I remember hearing though about companies converting undeveloped countries to using modern agriculture techniques and then selling them genetically modified crops that don't produce seeds so that they have to keep buying from the company.

...Okay, let's get something clear here.  The vast majority of genetically modified crops are designed to be sterile, so they're seeds can't spread and reproduce.  It has nothing to do with squeezing money out of poor people.  It's because countries that can create genetically modified crops require by law that they be sterile, so the seeds won't cross with other crops or spread out of control, xenotransplantation of invasive species being a serious environmental problem.

[Cthulhu]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

I remember hearing though about companies converting undeveloped countries to using modern agriculture techniques and then selling them genetically modified crops that don't produce seeds so that they have to keep buying from the company.

...Okay, let's get something clear here.  The vast majority of genetically modified crops are designed to be sterile, so they're seeds can't spread and reproduce.  It has nothing to do with squeezing money out of poor people.  It's because countries that can create genetically modified crops require by law that they be sterile, so the seeds won't cross with other crops or spread out of control, xenotransplantation of invasive species being a serious environmental problem.

Don't harsh our anticorporate mellow, dude.

[Soulwynd]

Actually, they do produce seeds, they just don't grow. Ie. Sterile seeds. So yeah, you gotta keep buying from the producer, plus with all the lobbying, they pass quality control bills that pretty much lock the producers with those specific seed producers.

You can also check the whole Monsanto bullshit.

Copyright/patents aren't only detrimental to games, but to everything. People need to be recognized by what they -do- with an idea, not by the -idea- itself.

And Aqizzar, that's the good side of the story and everyone can agree with. The problem is that people do produce those seeds nowadays, even poor countries. So the bad side of the story is, Monsanto & others have patented and copyrighted whatever they could on the subject in most countries. So you're stuck with them.

[Aqizzar]

Oh I never said it's not an effective smokescreen for legal monopoly protection.  I just think people make way too much of it.  The human race got by for thousands of years with no more crop alteration than good old fashioned husbandry, and those underdeveloped nations being strangled by the yoke of megacorporatism had never seen a genetically modified plant until a couple years ago.  I fail to see the problem.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I suppose if you could genetically modify plants, you could make it so that they can't reproduce by themselves, and the seeds need to be made in labs. That might make the idea of selling them (for ludicrous profit, of course) a bit more sane.

I remember hearing though about companies converting undeveloped countries to using modern agriculture techniques and then selling them genetically modified crops that don't produce seeds so that they have to keep buying from the company.

...Okay, let's get something clear here.  The vast majority of genetically modified crops are designed to be sterile, so they're seeds can't spread and reproduce.  It has nothing to do with squeezing money out of poor people.  It's because countries that can create genetically modified crops require by law that they be sterile, so the seeds won't cross with other crops or spread out of control, xenotransplantation of invasive species being a serious environmental problem.

You could well be right but it doesn't really matter what the original reason the plants are seedless is to the poor people whose money is getting squeezed out of them.

[darkflagrance]

The human race got by for thousands of years with no more crop alteration than good old fashioned husbandry, and those underdeveloped nations being strangled by the yoke of megacorporatism had never seen a genetically modified plant until a couple years ago.  I fail to see the problem.

Unfortunately, we are not the humans of thousands of years ago, and the environment we live in is now stretched to capacity.

EDIT: What did I just do? I just realized I was on the board for...games?