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[Org]

What the hell?

Why is there a band wagon on forsaken already?

Anyway, I understand that Org's vote on me was RV, but what about Janus's? What's your reason, as it looked to fluffed to be an RV.

Also, I think everyone has posted now so I'm gonna go and look for some scumtells of some sort that I missed with my speed reading to get here.

Meh. I dont want you for lylo. Doing town a favor!

[ExKirby]

As Vector stated for me, I'm having hardware problems. I can still play, just not as well. I can try to get it sorted over the weekend.

For all of you who voted me for being scum teammate last game, I'm trying to put that behind me.

Janus, I believe your argument on me is faulty. I'll wait for you to revise it.

[Kashyyk]

well Org, metagaming as we are, I can also claim that I helped win a lylo for the town so that is a moot point.

Yes, I lurk. But I also attempt to post what comes into mind. But not everything! See what happened to me in Webadict's BYOR? I got lynched day 1 for an (admittedly silly) RVS question. That is what happens to me when I speak my mind, 'tis one of the reasons why I don't post much.

Also does no-one ever pay attention to my other (main) reason why I don't post? I have a 4 hour slot during each weekday to post in, most of that is taken up with coursework. Weekends are just dead, so I usually can't get much out of my free time then.

[Org]

nonononono.

You are a danger at lylo because you fucking switched your vote after no explanation by the scum that we would have killed.

[webadict]

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Unvote.  I hear that ExKirby is having hardware trouble.

Don't think I'm not still watching you.

BECAUSE I'M THE EXTERMINATOR WITH EXKIRBY WEBADICT!!

But not really. Fuck that. ;_; I kept that shit off my list entirely because seriously, tired of dying N1 or D1.

[...]

Webadict, why is my ideal team to face off against such an accurate reflection of reality!?

I call bullshit.  You do recognize that your deaths are independent of whatever list you sent in, correct (i.e., we don't know what your list is, so we can't say clear/condemn you based on it.  More technically, I make an assumption that you have basic Theory of Mind going on)?  Thus you have no reason to say this, save for the sheer volume of WIFOM it will generate.  Additionally, if/when you do flip scum, a disgusting amount of WIFOM will be hanging over the three of us (you, myself, and Webadict).

Further, I really have trouble believing that you'd give up the chance to be scum again.

So.

If you're town, you've got no good reason to say this stuff.  If you're scum, then you have every reason.  I conclude, therefore, that you're scum.

Oh don't worry. When was the last time I won the game by myself?

Psh, I was only ever really good at this game when I could notice the newbie phenomenons that tripped everyone up. That's why I was able to see things no one else did. Now everyone's developed scumtells that are much harder to find. Now, on IRC, it's ridiculously easier, because you're thinking lightning fast. But, now everyone thinks through their every word.

Thanks to me, I suppose.

As for you, you're trying far too hard to make yourself look like Harmless Old Uncle Webby.  Though you may speak the truth, I'm getting strong buddying and self-screening vibes from this, which stack with the previous statements about how you're totally going to die N1.

Then...

Likely Kashyyk isn't scum, but Pandarsenic is, due to probability and human thinking.

More screening.  If you're going to throw random crap all over the place, why perform a mirroring screen of Pandarsenic?  This is precisely what Pandarsenic did above.



However, I think the most obvious person here is JanusTwoFace.  Why are you giving out scumpoints so liberally?  I feel like you're trying to set up lynches like you did in both Near-Mountainous and Vote Mafia IV... especially since you're shielding Webadict.

I'll admit that Webadict's flavortext vote was clearly a reaction-tester (like Leafsnail's), but you malign Leafsnail for shaky reasoning while completely passing over Web.  This seems quite suspicious to me, especially given that Leafsnail clearly outlined his vote as baseless... whereas Webadict did not.

Essentially, there is a fundamental inconsistency in your scheme which implicates you as scum.  Go hang.

I see you managed to quote a whole bunch on what just happened but just seemed to skip right on oer to JanusTwoface there. Why is that?

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So that mass of insanity between webadict, forsaken, and Neruz...  Why is this even happening?  The WIFOM level there is incredible and everyone is basically just ignoring it.  At least one of them is certifiably scum, although I'm not sure yet which one.

Actually, from past experience on both sides with each of the people, I think this would be the perfect scumteam to try to pull off something like this.  Doesn't mean this is the case, but it is more likely than any other trio in this game that I can think of.

Psh, I was only ever really good at this game when I could notice the newbie phenomenons that tripped everyone up. That's why I was able to see things no one else did. Now everyone's developed scumtells that are much harder to find. Now, on IRC, it's ridiculously easier, because you're thinking lightning fast. But, now everyone thinks through their every word.

Thanks to me, I suppose.

Your dying early so often really doesn't really help with figuring out your scumtells though.

My scum partners are Kashyyk and Pandarsenic.

Lynch them and let me live, and I will pass you information. Just don't tell them I turned.

Are you town being sarcastic or town acting scum being sarcastic?  I'm leaning towards the latter.  Or just insanity.  That works too.  It's not helpful whatever it is.

Leafsnail RVs Pandarsenic with a legit question.

Right.  So what is:

Leafsnail backs of Pandarsenic, RVs Vector for even shakier reasons. +1 scumpoint

Supposed to mean?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Man, I don't know if I can even comment on all that bullshit.  forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

First you asked Pandarsenic what his ideal scumteam would be.  Good RVS question.  Then you voted Vector because he "was scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy."  That's just wrong and you know it.  It's mostly the difference in feel between the two posts, especially going from serious to not that bugs me.

See the above response to forsake for the last part.

I concur with my ovbious scumbuddy webadict, forsaken1111 is an easy lynch ovbiously scum. Quick, everyone bandwagon him.

Basically, the same thing as forsaken.  You act like you're joking, but it's generally only the scum that act.  So you look like scum trying to act town (and failing) while either going for an easy lynch or bussing your partner.

Unvote.  I hear that ExKirby is having hardware trouble.

Don't think I'm not still watching you.

Hardware trouble again?  ExKirby, you have the flakiest computer I've ever heard of...

However, I think the most obvious person here is JanusTwoFace.  Why are you giving out scumpoints so liberally?  I feel like you're trying to set up lynches like you did in both Near-Mountainous and Vote Mafia IV... especially since you're shielding Webadict.

I'll admit that Webadict's flavortext vote was clearly a reaction-tester (like Leafsnail's), but you malign Leafsnail for shaky reasoning while completely passing over Web.  This seems quite suspicious to me, especially given that Leafsnail clearly outlined his vote as baseless... whereas Webadict did not.

Essentially, there is a fundamental inconsistency in your scheme which implicates you as scum.  Go hang.

The scumpoints didn't mean that someone is scum.  They mean that someone was acting scummy.  And it's RVS, so that post should naturally have less weight than this one (for example).

Webadict is acting random.  I really don't care for the mess between him, Neruz, and forsaken.  But random is basically a null tell for webadict day 1.  He does it in pretty much every game he actively posts in.  His scum tells really only show up later.

See above for why I thought Leafsnail was scummy.  It's the same reason that you're voting me now...

forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

Mmm, no? Using big-boy words doesn't make me more inclined to help you figure out the obvious.

I'd like a response to this as well, if you please.  And I'm not even swearing at you.

Anyway, I understand that Org's vote on me was RV, but what about Janus's? What's your reason, as it looked to fluffed to be an RV.

I don't post often, but at least I post everything on my mind when I do.  You lurk.  It's your style and you shouldn't be killed strictly for that, but with two votes on you there's a lot more reason for you to show up and post.

unvote.  If you come back and give a more thorough read, it will stay off.

Also, double check ExKirby.  He hasn't posted yet.  Hasn't actually been mentioned (other than Vector saying his computer broke) in about two pages.

NOTE: Vote based lurker prodding.

Same question to you, except you're saying you're SURE someone among us three are scum, and yet STILL skip over them, instead of pushing points toward us! My goodness!

forsaken1111, please clarify what the FUCK you are doing.  It looks too much like RiA or bluffing to me.

Mmm, no? Using big-boy words doesn't make me more inclined to help you figure out the obvious.

By doing absolutely nothing, you're just making yourself scummier. Not that you could do worse than being scum.

[JanusTwoface]

Janus, I believe your argument on me is faulty. I'll wait for you to revise it.

Which argument was that?  That you hadn't posted yet?  Fair enough.  You've posted.  But not anything of use.

Same question to you, except you're saying you're SURE someone among us three are scum, and yet STILL skip over them, instead of pushing points toward us! My goodness!

Good point.

I'd like a response to this as well, if you please.  And I'm not even swearing at you.

Very well. Someone made a baseless accusation against me, I responded with humor and sarcasm as I usually do. Nothing more is going on.

This is quite literally true from your view point.  Other than the previous craziness, what have you done to help us?

forsaken1111, Neruz, webadict

Who do you (seriously this time) think is scum?

[webadict]

I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.

[JanusTwoface]

I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.

What about the other two?

[webadict]

I already told you. Forsaken1111 is scum via the Org Theory of Scummitude.

That, and his general behavior toward anything.

What about the other two?

The other two people or the other two scum? It's not very clear. But, likely Pandarsenic and Vector. For now.

[forsaken1111]

Well I'd prefer not to die, if only because it will cause the town to lose a day voting a townie, but I understand how day 1 is and someone needs to go down so we can get some information tonight.

But seeing as there's already a bandwagon on me just for defending myself and some sarcasm, I guess I'm done for.

[Vector]

First you asked Pandarsenic what his ideal scumteam would be.  Good RVS question.  Then you voted Vector because he "was scum last time, and to use that to declare you town this time would be a fallacy."  That's just wrong and you know it.  It's mostly the difference in feel between the two posts, especially going from serious to not that bugs me.

[...]

The scumpoints didn't mean that someone is scum.  They mean that someone was acting scummy.  And it's RVS, so that post should naturally have less weight than this one (for example).

Webadict is acting random.  I really don't care for the mess between him, Neruz, and forsaken.  But random is basically a null tell for webadict day 1.  He does it in pretty much every game he actively posts in.  His scum tells really only show up later.

See above for why I thought Leafsnail was scummy.  It's the same reason that you're voting me now...

I still don't like this at all.  "Webadict acts scummy, but it doesn't count as a scumtell because it's Webadict.  Leafsnail acts a bit odd, but it does count because Leafsnail does not get Webadict-privileges."

Fundamentally, the two questions asked were the same.  One signaled to everyone that it was baseless.  The other simply was baseless.

In my opinion, baseless without an explanation is far worse than baseless with an explanation (though both are reaction-testing votes, and neither should really be considered scummy).  But you're passing over one and attacking the other, for what seems like little reason.

[Neruz]

I am actually with web on this one, forsaken is being horrifically passive at the moment, the other two scum are still unknowns, although Janus seems to be niggling at the corner of my mind for some undefined reason, possibly Kashykk or Exkirby for the third scum, but it's not much to go on yet.

[forsaken1111]

Careful Neruz, you're getting a bit obvious now.

[Vector]

Bah, I posted the second half of the post, but abandoned the answer to Web:

Webadict: I skipped over to JTF because my other points were more theoretical in nature.  I believe you and Pandarsenic to be scum, but he seems like the most likely candidate for the nonce.  I've only got one vote to use on someone, after all.

[Neruz]

Careful Neruz, you're getting a bit obvious now.

Ohshi- you're right. Thanks for the heads up.