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[SirBayer]

Yes, I wanted him lynched, but since nobody else seems to be willing to accept evidence here, I can't do that just yet, now can I?

You just haven't given any.  And your reason for changing vote was that he was replaced out, not because other people refused evidence.

And explain to me - explain to me how that statement is defending anyone.

"Ohmigosh stop voting Eduren"

1. I have given evidence. I have given BOATLOADS OF EVIDENCE. I HAVE PUSHED SO MUCH DAMN EVIDENCE IN YOUR FACE AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.

2. ...no, I was talking about the bandwagon on me, Leafsnail. ME.

[Leafsnail]

LEGITIMATELY angry, Leafsnail - not that he's being attacked, but that nobody is listening to him. He's getting like Alexhans and Webadict do when they're ignored.

If he's legitimately angry, why aren't you voting ExKirby?  That'd be the person he's "legitimately angry" about, if he is.  Just getting randomly annoyed is NOT a towntell.

And my god, anyone attacking Bayer, ARE YOU EVEN LOOKING AT EDUREN?

That's exactly why I'm attacking SirBayer.  His interactions with Eduren suggests scumteam.  Indeed, as does your defence of Bayer.

1. I have given evidence. I have given BOATLOADS OF EVIDENCE. I HAVE PUSHED SO MUCH DAMN EVIDENCE IN YOUR FACE AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.

So why the FUCK aren't you voting ExKirby if there's "Boatloads of evidence"?  If there's already so much stuff against him, it shouldn't matter at all if he's replaced out.

2. ...no, I was talking about the bandwagon on me, Leafsnail. ME.

I'm not voting for you at the moment, although you're starting to make me think you'd be a better lynch than Eduren today.  There's nothing even remotely like a bandwagon on you, mainly because your scumpartner's got all the votes.

[dorf]

For the sake of being fair, I'm going to quote your reasons:

He was concerned that people were dismissing his votes as sheepish. Scum could have just rolled with it. He felt that his vote meant something and has been trying to prove it. Besides, he has legitimate concerns.

Bayer's your partner, huh?  He gets overexcited about getting called out for simultaneous bandwagoning AND buddying, and proceeds to OMGUS anyone who might have possibly gotten involved.  Of course you defend him... because though ExKirby was playing oddly, Bayer's "concern about his vote" totally vindicates him.

...

SirBayer.  He's been flipping the hell out over relatively minor accusations and acting extremely self-preservational.

Okay, Vector.

Now you're doing it too. Again.

I WAS NOT BUDDYING. I WAS NOT BANDWAGONING. I WAS VOTING EXKIRBY.

I cannot possibly make this any clearer. If you want evidence, I'll hunt up evidence, but I shouldn't have to do it. ExKirby whines that I'm "sheepfollowing" him WHEN I'M FREAKING VOTING FOR HIM.

Now, I know what you're going to say. I know you're going to say "OMGUS!" But no. This is different. This is people voting me for 'facts' that are made up. I will not stand by and let this pass, no matter what the consequences.

Where are these "the reasons" you're talking about?
The closest thing to anything argumenty was this:

Okay, Vector.

Now you're doing it too. Again.

What is he doing? ...again?

The next non-attack was this one:

I will not stand by and let this pass, no matter what the consequences.

WHAT will you not let pass?

In your whole post you were defensive. The only act of aggression was the vote. Now it is time to back up the vote with some solid evidence.

You still haven't expressed your opinion on the "What does Vector-being-NK'd mean to you?" question.

Yes, I wanted him lynched, but since nobody else seems to be willing to accept evidence here, I can't do that just yet, now can I?

You just haven't given any.  And your reason for changing vote was that he was replaced out, not because other people refused evidence.

And explain to me - explain to me how that statement is defending anyone.

"Ohmigosh stop voting Eduren"

1. I have given evidence. I have given BOATLOADS OF EVIDENCE. I HAVE PUSHED SO MUCH DAMN EVIDENCE IN YOUR FACE AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.

2. ...no, I was talking about the bandwagon on me, Leafsnail. ME.

Lies go in bold.

Unvote.
SirBayer, your scumminess knows no bound. You're going down.

[Pandarsenic]

So... I'm attacking Eduren because he's the scummiest, and Bayer is scum because he's been buddied by Eduren, and I'm scum because I think Bayer is town?

I will admit that he isn't on ExKirby despite his conviction is bleh but he's an idiot so he gets a little leeway.

[Leafsnail]

So... I'm attacking Eduren because he's the scummiest, and Bayer is scum because he's been buddied by Eduren, and I'm scum because I think Bayer is town?

I will admit that he isn't on ExKirby despite his conviction is bleh but he's an idiot so he gets a little leeway.

...

...

I can think of literally no explanation for this other than "I don't want to bus both of my partners today".

SirBayer has NOT been buddied by Eduren - rather, eduren has passively poked him several times, and their interactions seem to be only attempts at distancing.  Indeed, SirBayer may well be using tunnelvision as an excuse to avoid voting his partner.

You, on the other hand, Pandarsenic, have marked SirBayer as town just for being angry and being "an idiot".  Neither of these are towntells.  You don't usually excuse people for this (think Org).

[Pandarsenic]

I've known Bayer for about a year now. I know his genuine anger very, very well.

I know this because I've spent a lot of the time we've interacted, ever, inciting it. He's angry, and not because you're voting him.

[Pandarsenic]

Well, maybe because you're voting him. But mostly because you're not voting ExKirby.

WAIT A MINUTE

Leafsnail, you just admitted you think Eduren is scum and YOUR ONLY grounding against Bayer is their interactions because Eduren is scum.

SO LYNCH EDUREN YOU COCK

[SirBayer]

Spoiler: dorf (click to show/hide)

For the sake of being fair, I'm going to quote your reasons:

He was concerned that people were dismissing his votes as sheepish. Scum could have just rolled with it. He felt that his vote meant something and has been trying to prove it. Besides, he has legitimate concerns.

Bayer's your partner, huh?  He gets overexcited about getting called out for simultaneous bandwagoning AND buddying, and proceeds to OMGUS anyone who might have possibly gotten involved.  Of course you defend him... because though ExKirby was playing oddly, Bayer's "concern about his vote" totally vindicates him.

...

SirBayer.  He's been flipping the hell out over relatively minor accusations and acting extremely self-preservational.

Okay, Vector.

Now you're doing it too. Again.

I WAS NOT BUDDYING. I WAS NOT BANDWAGONING. I WAS VOTING EXKIRBY.

I cannot possibly make this any clearer. If you want evidence, I'll hunt up evidence, but I shouldn't have to do it. ExKirby whines that I'm "sheepfollowing" him WHEN I'M FREAKING VOTING FOR HIM.

Now, I know what you're going to say. I know you're going to say "OMGUS!" But no. This is different. This is people voting me for 'facts' that are made up. I will not stand by and let this pass, no matter what the consequences.

Where are these "the reasons" you're talking about?
The closest thing to anything argumenty was this:

Okay, Vector.

Now you're doing it too. Again.

What is he doing? ...again?

The next non-attack was this one:

I will not stand by and let this pass, no matter what the consequences.

WHAT will you not let pass?

In your whole post you were defensive. The only act of aggression was the vote. Now it is time to back up the vote with some solid evidence.

You still haven't expressed your opinion on the "What does Vector-being-NK'd mean to you?" question.

Yes, I wanted him lynched, but since nobody else seems to be willing to accept evidence here, I can't do that just yet, now can I?

You just haven't given any.  And your reason for changing vote was that he was replaced out, not because other people refused evidence.

And explain to me - explain to me how that statement is defending anyone.

"Ohmigosh stop voting Eduren"

1. I have given evidence. I have given BOATLOADS OF EVIDENCE. I HAVE PUSHED SO MUCH DAMN EVIDENCE IN YOUR FACE AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.

2. ...no, I was talking about the bandwagon on me, Leafsnail. ME.

Lies go in bold.

Unvote.
SirBayer, your scumminess knows no bound. You're going down.

Nu-uh, Dorf. No. I am not going to do your work for you.

There has been evidence. You find it. There has been plenty, and I've been bringing it up for every single damn page since about page 13. I've given reasons to every single goddamn player in this entire game except for you, and YOU'RE NOT LUCKY TODAY. No. I am NOT going to do it. You go look, buttface.

1. I have given evidence. I have given BOATLOADS OF EVIDENCE. I HAVE PUSHED SO MUCH DAMN EVIDENCE IN YOUR FACE AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.

So why the FUCK aren't you voting ExKirby if there's "Boatloads of evidence"?  If there's already so much stuff against him, it shouldn't matter at all if he's replaced out.

2. ...no, I was talking about the bandwagon on me, Leafsnail. ME.

I'm not voting for you at the moment, although you're starting to make me think you'd be a better lynch than Eduren today.  There's nothing even remotely like a bandwagon on you, mainly because your scumpartner's got all the votes.

Do I have to restate the obvious, again?

1. I'm not voting ExKirby because when you vote, you vote for pressure or you vote to lynch. I can't put pressure on an absent player, I can't lynch someone who nobody else will pay any attention to.

2. Awful convenient how everyone and their brother, including you, suddenly sees a buttload of scummitude after I've been POINTING OUT SCUMMITUDE FOR PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES.

[Eduren]

Yes. Please. Everybody lynch the scum!

[Leafsnail]

Confused and desperate scumteam is confused and desperate.

I know this because I've spent a lot of the time we've interacted, ever, inciting it. He's angry, and not because you're voting him.

I don't buy this.  Knowing someone well doesn't necessarily mean you can always read them.

Well, maybe because you're voting him. But mostly because you're not voting ExKirby.

?!

Leafsnail, you just admitted you think Eduren is scum and YOUR ONLY grounding against Bayer is their interactions because Eduren is scum.

No.  SirBayer is also tunnelling randomly, has dropped the target who he apparently has "boatloads of evidence" on (I mean, even if I don't believe him, why is that a reason for him to unvote?) and is also flailing about in a ridiculous manner.  He is also now ignoring Eduren once more.

SO LYNCH EDUREN YOU COCK

Look at where my vote is.  If you're so desperate to bus eduren, I guess that's no problem.

There has been evidence. You find it. There has been plenty, and I've been bringing it up for every single damn page since about page 13. I've given reasons to every single goddamn player in this entire game except for you, and YOU'RE NOT LUCKY TODAY. No. I am NOT going to do it. You go look, buttface.

If you have so much evidence, you WOULD but in the effort to get him lynched.  End of.

1. I'm not voting ExKirby because when you vote, you vote for pressure or you vote to lynch. I can't put pressure on an absent player, I can't lynch someone who nobody else will pay any attention to.

SirBayer, again, if you're so sure you've found scum, you would PUT THE EFFORT IN TO GET THEM LYNCHED.  You would gather the evidence together instead of asking us to look at your vague attacks in the past.

2. Awful convenient how everyone and their brother, including you, suddenly sees a buttload of scummitude after I've been POINTING OUT SCUMMITUDE FOR PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES.

You're flailing again.

LOL I'M DIVERTING EVERYONE'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM MY PARTNER

I know.

[Leafsnail]

I also love the passive attacks that are being thrown at me from SirBayer and Pandarsenic.

[Pandarsenic]

I don't think you're scum, I just think you're stupid.

Are you high or drunk now, by any chance? It would explain a lot.

Also, fuck Eduren for that WIFOM; I can't tell if he's trying to draw us from or push us to Bayer, but I am not letting him escape.

[Leafsnail]

Uhuh.  Even though I'm voting for the same person you are, I must be "high or drunk".

Also, fuck Eduren for that WIFOM; I can't tell if he's trying to draw us from or push us to Bayer, but I am not letting him escape.

I guess it seemed like a better idea when it was suggested in the scumchat?

[Pandarsenic]

Wait, you're voting for-

THEN WHO THE HELL ISN'T VOTING EDUREN, HONESTLY

[Leafsnail]

We still need two more for hammer, I think...