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[Leafsnail]

It is ok, but if you say "I'm pushing you with no reason!" then you aren't pushing someone at all.  You can push someone with a crap reason if you feel it will get you a reaction, but how will someone feel threatened if you aknowledge you don't think they're scum?

And then, at the end, a loaded, passive question.  I asked you because you seemed to be making a serious case against dorf, not just trying to gauge reactions.  And now you've admitted to trying to get someone lynched with no reason.

[Vector]

I'll yell "defending" whenever you point out a town tell that isn't one.  Pointing out town tells is one thing.  When "wildly erratic and scummy behavior" is balanced out only by "was concerned about people voting him," I end up thinking he's your partner.

I never said that it balanced...

... You call "concerned about people voting him" a towntell?  What world do you live in?  If you don't think it balances, you should be voting him--given that he's done no scum-hunting and only spends time defending his sorry self, then disappears the outright minute anything heats up.

You have a nice list of FoS's and so on, but none of them include this person who seems to have no redeeming towntells.  It just doesn't make sense.

[SirBayer]

Unvote.

Spoiler: Vector (click to show/hide)

He was concerned that people were dismissing his votes as sheepish. Scum could have just rolled with it. He felt that his vote meant something and has been trying to prove it. Besides, he has legitimate concerns.

Bayer's your partner, huh?  He gets overexcited about getting called out for simultaneous bandwagoning AND buddying, and proceeds to OMGUS anyone who might have possibly gotten involved.  Of course you defend him... because though ExKirby was playing oddly, Bayer's "concern about his vote" totally vindicates him.

...

SirBayer.  He's been flipping the hell out over relatively minor accusations and acting extremely self-preservational.

Okay, Vector.

Now you're doing it too. Again.

I WAS NOT BUDDYING. I WAS NOT BANDWAGONING. I WAS VOTING EXKIRBY.

I cannot possibly make this any clearer. If you want evidence, I'll hunt up evidence, but I shouldn't have to do it. ExKirby whines that I'm "sheepfollowing" him WHEN I'M FREAKING VOTING FOR HIM.

Now, I know what you're going to say. I know you're going to say "OMGUS!" But no. This is different. This is people voting me for 'facts' that are made up. I will not stand by and let this pass, no matter what the consequences.

Spoiler: Leafsnail (click to show/hide)

Hey, you see ExKirby here, answering my questions?

Huh, not happening. Don't see it.

Funny, that.

Guess he's town.

He's now requesting a replacement.  So, if you want to vote for him, I would like you to provide proper, solid evidence of why he should be lynched.

To summarise:
Eduren is scum, posting over wide accusations in order to increase potential mislynch targets and avoid any serious fights.  Also occasional seems to make passive jabs at SirBayer.
SirBayer is also scum, bashing a weak and easy target on his own in order to avoid connecting himself with anybody.  Notice how Eduren is voting dorf for tunnelvision but completely ignoring SirBayer's total tunnelvision on ExKirby.

I would be fine with a lynch of either of them today.

How the hell was I supposed to know he wanted a replacement? And he was IGNORING MY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE DAMN REPLACEMENT REQUEST. And I'm bashing a 'weak target'? Since when was ExKirby retarded?

"To summarise":

Vector is throwing around the exact same bullshit that ExKirby was

Leafsnail is either 1. not paying attention or 2. riding in the convenient powerwake Vector leaves.

[Vector]

Calm the hell down, Bayer.

This isn't me voting you.  This is me saying that you were accused of "sheep-following," which constitutes "buddying and bandwagoning."

YOU WERE ACCUSED OF A THING.  THAT THING HAS A DEFINITION.  WHEN YOU FLIPPED THE HELL OUT, EDUREN SUPPORTED YOUR FLIPPING THE HELL OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THAT IS RIDICULOUSLY SCUMMY.


I'm not going to say OMGUS because I'M NOT VOTING FOR YOU, dumbass.  If I vote you, it'll be because you are so obscenely self-preservational that I can't see you as anything but scum--but right now, I'm busy with Eduren.

I don't care how big the charge is, you're overreacting.  So back off, think about it, and MAYBE you want to try actually attacking someone for once, rather than passively sitting there and poking at me for trying my hardest to lynch scum.

You're getting hung up.  If you're town, this is completely removing any efficacy you might have.  You need to think harder about what's happening.

[Pandarsenic]

1. Eduren remains scum for the same reasons as when I last spoke against him.

2. ExKirby is probably scum; Vector, too - I expect better of her than to parrot false arguments. She accuses Bayer of bandwagoning, buddying, and OMGUSing everyone, which... doesn't describe his actions at all. In any way.

3. Bayer is too legitimately angry to scum, I think.

4. Are more people than Eduren, ExKirby, Leafsnail, me, SirBayer, and Vector alive? Because they should come out. Errol and dorf seem to be awfully quiet. Eduren is scum though, and he's using BS excuses to justify that he was lurking and wouldn't even come out until he was going to be lynched.

Ninja'd: Vector, called out means you're saying he did this and someone pointed it out; ACCUSED would mean someone "pointed it out" when he hadn't. Important semantic issue. Why are you backpedaling?

[Vector]

*sigh*  Okay, explanation-time.


Someone said "Bayer, you are sheep-following."

I actually don't give a damn about whether or not he was sheep-following or not.  What I care about was his overreaction and subsequent violent behavior about anyone who mentioned or even tried to define said sheep-following.  I don't feel like he's scumhunting.  I feel like he's flailing.


Someone said "Bayer, you are buddying and bandwagoning."

I said "Yeah, he does that," not thinking to check whether it was true in this instance or not.  This was dumb of me.


Then Eduren passed this entire mess off as "Bayer is town--he's concerned about his vote."  This didn't make sense given what is actually being said of Bayer.  Is that clearer?  The accusations from ExKirby are "OMGUS, buddying, bandwagoning," and I don't feel that Bayer's reaction translates to "concerned about his vote."  I also don't feel that "concerned about one's vote" translates to "towntell."


Meh.  Mostly, Bayer seems to be overreacting and Errol is being lurky out the ass.

[SirBayer]

Bayer's your partner, huh?  He gets overexcited about getting called out for simultaneous bandwagoning AND buddying, and proceeds to OMGUS anyone who might have possibly gotten involved.

So. Let me get this straight. You, after this direct accusation, claim that:

This is me saying that you were accused of "sheep-following," which constitutes "buddying and bandwagoning."

Bold added for emphasis.

So you're accusing me, but not accusing me.

I follow, sure.

I don't give a crap about what you have to say to Eduren. You're concerned with him right now, but I'm concerned with you. I don't give a crap about what Eduren says about me. If he's buddying, he's buddying, that's what happens sometimes.

What I do give a crap about is the fact that you're saying polar opposite things in posts on the same page, backing down when confronted, and then trying to pass the mess off as having failed to check back on what I was actually doing.

I can excuse not looking. I cannot excuse flipping like that.

[dorf]

Unvote.

[...]

"To summarise":

Vector is throwing around the exact same bullshit that ExKirby was

Are you out of your mind?
You spent two Days on ExKirby, giving whatever reasons, to present him as scum to us.
And now you're voting for Vector (from what I gathered) for the exact same reasons as ExKirby?

What are you trying to say with that statement? Is ExKirby no longer scum? What makes Vector scummy, exactly (quotes please)? What does Vector-being-NK'd mean to you?

[Leafsnail]

How the hell was I supposed to know he wanted a replacement? And he was IGNORING MY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE DAMN REPLACEMENT REQUEST. And I'm bashing a 'weak target'? Since when was ExKirby retarded?

He wasn't ignoring your question, really.  It was more a case that he wasn't getting the point of it.

Now, SirBayer, I can still see a strong connection between you and Eduren.  Also, for someone who's voting someone else due to "not paying attention", you seem to not be paying any attention yourself, and you'd realise Vector wasn't accusing you of buddying or bandwagonning if you read more carefully.

3. Bayer is too legitimately angry to scum, I think.

This is making me suspect Pandar as the third scumteam member.  This is a pretty odd reason to mark someone as town, and also the base for attacking Vector.

So you're accusing me, but not accusing me.

Bullshit.  Don't attack someone for misunderstanding you if you've misunderstood them.

I don't give a crap about what you have to say to Eduren. You're concerned with him right now, but I'm concerned with you. I don't give a crap about what Eduren says about me. If he's buddying, he's buddying, that's what happens sometimes.

"I don't care what you say about my scumbuddy, because he's not my scumbuddy.  You're attacking him right now, but I'm trying to defend him indirectly.  I don't care what he says about me, because I know he's on my team.  If he's buddying, I don't care since it should help us win".

[SirBayer]

Unvote.

[...]

"To summarise":

Vector is throwing around the exact same bullshit that ExKirby was

Are you out of your mind?
You spent two Days on ExKirby, giving whatever reasons, to present him as scum to us.
And now you're voting for Vector (from what I gathered) for the exact same reasons as ExKirby?

What are you trying to say with that statement? Is ExKirby no longer scum? What makes Vector scummy, exactly (quotes please)? What does Vector-being-NK'd mean to you?

Good god! Go look at that post! It has the reasons! Are - what the hell?! That - good god!

Leafsnail: Having fun on the bandwagon?

[SirBayer]

Final note to Dorf: I'm not voting ExKirby or pushing him because he's gone. I can't act against scum that isn't here.

[Leafsnail]

Leafsnail: Can I continue to indirectly defend my partner some more?

Yes, apparently you can.

Final note to Dorf: I'm not voting ExKirby or pushing him because he's gone. I can't act against scum that isn't here.

That'd be true if you were pushing him.  However, you wanted him lynched, right?  Therefore him being replaced out shouldn't change your vote.

[SirBayer]

Yes, I wanted him lynched, but since nobody else seems to be willing to accept evidence here, I can't do that just yet, now can I?

And explain to me - explain to me how that statement is defending anyone.

A single soul.

[Leafsnail]

Yes, I wanted him lynched, but since nobody else seems to be willing to accept evidence here, I can't do that just yet, now can I?

You just haven't given any.  And your reason for changing vote was that he was replaced out, not because other people refused evidence.

And explain to me - explain to me how that statement is defending anyone.

"Ohmigosh stop voting Eduren"

[Pandarsenic]

How the hell was I supposed to know he wanted a replacement? And he was IGNORING MY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE DAMN REPLACEMENT REQUEST. And I'm bashing a 'weak target'? Since when was ExKirby retarded?

He wasn't ignoring your question, really.  It was more a case that he wasn't getting the point of it.

Now, SirBayer, I can still see a strong connection between you and Eduren.  Also, for someone who's voting someone else due to "not paying attention", you seem to not be paying any attention yourself, and you'd realise Vector wasn't accusing you of buddying or bandwagonning if you read more carefully.

3. Bayer is too legitimately angry to scum, I think.

This is making me suspect Pandar as the third scumteam member.  This is a pretty odd reason to mark someone as town, and also the base for attacking Vector.

So you're accusing me, but not accusing me.

Bullshit.  Don't attack someone for misunderstanding you if you've misunderstood them.

I don't give a crap about what you have to say to Eduren. You're concerned with him right now, but I'm concerned with you. I don't give a crap about what Eduren says about me. If he's buddying, he's buddying, that's what happens sometimes.

"I don't care what you say about my scumbuddy, because he's not my scumbuddy.  You're attacking him right now, but I'm trying to defend him indirectly.  I don't care what he says about me, because I know he's on my team.  If he's buddying, I don't care since it should help us win".

LEGITIMATELY angry, Leafsnail - not that he's being attacked, but that nobody is listening to him. He's getting like Alexhans and Webadict do when they're ignored.

And my god, anyone attacking Bayer, ARE YOU EVEN LOOKING AT EDUREN?