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woose1

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A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« on: January 17, 2010, 02:18:52 am »

If we ever develop the technology to completely and totally bring someone back from death without any adverse side effects, do you think that the sentence for murder would become less harsh?

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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 02:24:54 am »

Oh yeah, it would be all like, "man that guy looks sort of guilty, we should kill him"
Guy2 then says, "Oh yeah can't take any chances"
Guy1 replies, "Yeah not like we can't bring him back or not'in."
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 02:37:52 am »

I suspect that for death-sentencers, their corpses would be burned or locked away or something. But if that didn't affect anything, death would still be an EXTREMELY unpleasant experience. So, death sentence would be outlawed as torture.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 04:05:01 am »

Exorcism will be the new death. Your body may be reconstructed, but your soul won't. That's punishment.


Alternatively, you'll be rebuilt, you'll just have almost no control, with full awareness. Think of the punishment worse than death as fully aware robotic control, sans will.

You're a living robot, and you cannot fight the impulses, making yourself a mindless slave; ironically, with enough of a mind to be aware of the control, but just enough to keep a soul within the shell, without it's ability to control. No worse hell I can think of beyond that for now.

To make it a worse punishment, make it a job fitting of their crime that would bother them beyond reason; either by constant temptation (urges and all come, but reacting to them through their new body; tough luck.). It's a hell in which you're trapped in your body with only your emotions and thoughts, and no control over your actions. All sanctioned by law.

An advantage of a self-will-less body with a willful soul trapped in (by perspective of those who own the person, be it a buyer or law) it would be to prevent self-termination (suicide as an escape method), as well, with full awareness; all senses are active 24/7, so every command and action issued will be experienced at full awareness.

For those that would suffer that fate; may God have mercy on them.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 05:52:19 am »

You know that Egyptian story were this dude did something bad and the god made him immortal and every day an eagle comes and rip his guts out because it hurts and they will grow back.That could be the new death sentence.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 05:56:23 am »

I didn't know about that egyptian story...
I however know about Prometheus, chained to a mountain by Zeus: every day an eagle would come and eat his liver and every night the liver would grow again. He was already immortal though, immortality wasn't part of punishment.

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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 05:58:39 am »

They must be brothers in crime...
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 06:31:14 am »

All the guy did was steal fire. Greek Gods were assholes.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 06:34:02 am »

Heck, all Pandora did was be female and the whole human race got shafted.  All ancient gods were assholes.  It was a handy explanation for why life sucks.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 06:34:59 am »

God was too, but, and I will continue to bring this up, having a kid really mellowed him out.

EDIT: Assuming you take the Bible at its word all of the time, and assuming you care about this and assuming this is relevant to the topic. I do not, you do not, it is not.

Moving on.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 06:44:03 am »

There's a story buried somewhere in the Old Testament about a guy who tried to take a census of the many Israeli kingdoms.  YHWH said "Thou Shalt Not Count My Chosen People" and sent a plague that killed 120,000 people so the census would be wrong.  And it spared the census taker of course, so he could be mocked.

Relevant to the topic, medical technology improves all the time, but the penalties for assaulting a person haven't gotten any lighter despite it being easier to heal people.  Heck, if we had a way of bringing people back to life, Texas would the first in line to resurrect heinous criminals so we can execute them repeatedly.  Being killed and revived might even become a ordinary sentence.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 06:47:33 am »

Multiple life sentences would take on a very different meaning.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 07:06:57 am »

There's a story buried somewhere in the Old Testament about a guy who tried to take a census of the many Israeli kingdoms.  YHWH said "Thou Shalt Not Count My Chosen People" and sent a plague that killed 120,000 people so the census would be wrong.  And it spared the census taker of course, so he could be mocked.

Remember, he promised Abraham that his descendants would outnumber the stars. Which is a bit of an iffy promise, since, well, there are a lot of stars and people aren't rabbits.

So really, he probably wasn't gonna let anyone take a census of the Chosen, but then he went ahead and had a kid, and got mellow.

Multiple life sentences would take on a very different meaning.

Yeah. And a death sentence is just "we won't revive you."
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 07:08:54 am »

And even that's touch and go if you're offing someone with a lot of connections.
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Re: A little bit of thinking material before I go to sleep...
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 08:20:38 am »

I think the original question was different - "would murder be a lesser crime if your victim could simply be revived afterwards?"
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