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Author Topic: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal  (Read 11474 times)

Arrkhal

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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2010, 10:43:01 pm »

There's all kinds of crazy add-on laws.  In PA, it's illegal to use "armor piercing ammunition" during the commission of a violent crime.

The federal definition of armor-piercing ammo is any full-jacketed bullet where the jacket is more than 20% or some percent of the bullet's weight, or any bullet with a core composed primarily of bronze, tungsten, brass, iron, and other metals, and which is designed to be fired from a handgun.

However, the PA state definition of armor-piercing ammo is any ammo which will shoot through a level IIa bulletproof vest.  Duh.  Makes a lot more sense.  Except any centerfire rifle from .22 hornet up will shoot clean through one of those.  So using pretty much any rifle adds on an extra crime.

More jail time for violent felons is rarely a bad thing.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2010, 10:50:36 pm »

More jail time for violent felons is rarely a bad thing.

Not really. Criminals usually teach other criminals in jail. You toss an arms dealer in jail for 10 years. As soon as he gets out, he gets 10 years worth of criminal contacts to sell rifles and bulletproof vests to. Plus 10 years of experience learned from other criminals.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 10:52:31 pm »

Not to mention he'll probably be paroled after 3-5 anyway, since every prison in America is stuffed to 200% capacity.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 11:01:17 pm »

I hear it's illegal to bring harm to a butterfly in the state of California. I think.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 11:08:17 pm »

How would it make it easier to prosecute them for a crime? If they can prove you were attempting murder, then you already have a case. And if you can't prove that, then you werent committing any felony anyway...

Simple you fail the Murder case, you can still succeed at proving he was using a Bullet Proof jacket to commit a crime. You can also succeed at the Murder case and then succeed at giving him more time with the Bullet Proof case.

There are a bunch of ways to do it but the law actually makes sense if you understand how the legal system works.

In fact you had a law similar to this and I doubt your even aware: Breaking and Entering
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 11:16:15 pm »

The butterfly thing sounds familiar, I think it's illegal to hurt monarch butterflies in California.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 11:20:19 pm »

We had a law proposed about improvised weaponry causing extra jail time and fines and all, but it was ridiculously out of sync with the other laws. The time proposed for improvised weaponry was more than conventional stuff, so criminals would be encouraged to bring a gun instead of just picking up a club-like item at the scene of the crime.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 11:21:44 pm »

The butterfly thing sounds familiar, I think it's illegal to hurt monarch butterflies in California.
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(2) Two million dollars ($2,000,000) for acquisition of monarch
butterfly habitat.

That was the only thing I found vaguely related to butterflies in that thing.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 11:42:01 pm »

The butterfly thing sounds familiar, I think it's illegal to hurt monarch butterflies in California.
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(2) Two million dollars ($2,000,000) for acquisition of monarch
butterfly habitat.

That was the only thing I found vaguely related to butterflies in that thing.
Aka, don't made the monarch butterfly go extinct.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 12:08:43 am »

and the Communist Party is banned

Huh? That seems blatantly unconstitutional and like it would have been challenged long ago

This has also confused me.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 12:18:45 am »

Ohh silly people, like you can't pass unconstitutional laws.

Every State has a few that kick freespeech in the butt.

Ok so I only know ONE and it is for Texas.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2010, 12:38:57 am »

and the Communist Party is banned

Huh? That seems blatantly unconstitutional and like it would have been challenged long ago

I'm sure it's probably just a grandfather law from the good ol' early Cold War days.

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During the first half of the 20th century it was the largest and most widely influential communist party in the country, and played a prominent role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, (which would later implement the Smith Act) and pursuing intense anti-racist activity in workplaces and city communities throughout this first part of its existence.

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By the 1950s, however, the combined effects of the second Red Scare, McCarthyism, the Secret Speech, and the Cold War began to break apart the Communist Party's internal structure and confidence. U.S. Government prosecution efforts were aided by the party's membership in the Comintern because it cast the Party not only as subversive, but also as a "foreign" agent. Members who did not end up in prison for party activities tended either to disappear quietly from its ranks or to adopt more moderate political positions that were at odds with the CPUSA's party line. By 1957, membership had dwindled to less than 10,000, of which some 1500 were FBI informants.[1]

There's a reason America is considered rather conservative as first-world nations go. The government essentially tried to wipe out the presence of leftist groups because people were terrified that they were associated with Stalinism/the USSR and such.

Granted, a lot of the fear was justified at first, since the form of communism that the USSR took on was pretty much totalitarian.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2010, 12:52:31 am »

and the Communist Party is banned

Huh? That seems blatantly unconstitutional and like it would have been challenged long ago

I'm sure it's probably just a grandfather law from the good ol' early Cold War days.

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During the first half of the 20th century it was the largest and most widely influential communist party in the country, and played a prominent role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, (which would later implement the Smith Act) and pursuing intense anti-racist activity in workplaces and city communities throughout this first part of its existence.

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By the 1950s, however, the combined effects of the second Red Scare, McCarthyism, the Secret Speech, and the Cold War began to break apart the Communist Party's internal structure and confidence. U.S. Government prosecution efforts were aided by the party's membership in the Comintern because it cast the Party not only as subversive, but also as a "foreign" agent. Members who did not end up in prison for party activities tended either to disappear quietly from its ranks or to adopt more moderate political positions that were at odds with the CPUSA's party line. By 1957, membership had dwindled to less than 10,000, of which some 1500 were FBI informants.[1]

There's a reason America is considered rather conservative as first-world nations go. The government essentially tried to wipe out the presence of leftist groups because people were terrified that they were associated with Stalinism/the USSR and such.

Granted, a lot of the fear was justified at first, since the form of communism that the USSR took on was pretty much totalitarian.

It has to be some "leftover" law. I personally find it funny. Almost nobody cares for communism in Russia (except for very old farts and very rare strange people), but it's forbidden on another hemisphere :). At least I suspect this law does no harm to anybody in America.
I fail to imagine communist parades and red flags in USA. We rarely see it here, and it's usually something related to kidding youngsters, there are no serious communist movements (except for a one political party which has a "clown" head who yells and speaks bullshit and they exist just to "fill the niche").
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2010, 01:10:33 am »

I'm inclined to believe that if a plotting criminal is willing to risk assault/battery charges, he most likely won't be too concerned with illegal use of a bulletproof vest charges.
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Re: I Can't Believe It's Not Legal
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 01:31:33 am »

Its one of those silly technical laws. While adding a charge for making use of something that will facilitate a criminal's illegal act is logical, it sorta compels criminals aware of such charges to make a better effort to succeed in whatever they're doing.

I mean, a very extreme example is death penalty: If a guy is caught doing something that he can get death penalty for, he much more likely to fight to the bitter end taking more lives with him rather then give up and face the consequences.
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