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[Leafsnail]

Most of those are gangbangers though, it's not like women and children are being gunned down every day.

So?  Just because they're part of a street gang doesn't mean they're not human.  And what about the 40% of victims who aren't in gangs?

[Lord Dakoth]

Because returning fire always makes things better.

If the would-be murderer thinks that he might get shot, he is less likely to attempt murder.

True, unless you go to somewhere like Afghanistan where every man and his dog is armed and people get shot all the time for rediculous reasons. Like "He looked funny."

I think that it's relevant to this discussion that Afghanistan has very few laws that are actually enforced.

Actually; i do have one semi-serious point. If everyone is running around with Assault Rifles, how do you expect the police to, well, police? We'd need to issue them tanks.

Just because handguns are legal doesn't mean that everyone has an assault rifle in their pocket.

[Duke 2.0]

 Do note gangs can and will just stab eachother if guns are not present. Guns don't change much between two groups that will use their bare fits to kill eachother.

[Neruz]

Because returning fire always makes things better.

If the would-be murderer thinks that he might get shot, he is less likely to attempt murder.

Actually he's just more likely to ensure the first shot counts.

Actually; i do have one semi-serious point. If everyone is running around with Assault Rifles, how do you expect the police to, well, police? We'd need to issue them tanks.

Just because handguns are legal doesn't mean that everyone has an assault rifle in their pocket.

Duh, they're illegal. I was making the comment in reference to the fact that certain participants of this thread seem to feel that Assault Rifles should be just as legal to run around with as sidearms.

[Leafsnail]

Do note gangs can and will just stab eachother if guns are not present. Guns don't change much between two groups that will use their bare fits to kill eachother.

It has a couple of effects -

- Reduces innocent casualties in the crossfire signicantly
- Allows the less hardcore members of these gangs to flee more safely

[zchris13]

I think that there should probably be restrictions on the actual running around part of assault rifles.  I mean, I wouldn't want someone running around with a light machine gun.  Things are scary.  But yes, I do want to let people HAVE them. Maybe like, "keep it in a locked, hard-sided box if you have to take it anywhere.  Like hunting.  With a full auto weapon.  OH YEAH.

[Leafsnail]

I think that there should probably be restrictions on the actual running around part of assault rifles.  I mean, I wouldn't want someone running around with a light machine gun.  Things are scary.  But yes, I do want to let people HAVE them. Maybe like, "keep it in a locked, hard-sided box if you have to take it anywhere.  Like hunting.  With a full auto weapon.  OH YEAH.

I dunno how useful that would be.  I mean, the accuracy's gonna be pretty low...

[Impending Doom]

I dunno how useful that would be.  I mean, the accuracy's gonna be pretty low...

It's a portable wall of lead. It doesn't NEED to be accurate.

Of course, there won't be much of a deer left when you're done, but hey...

[Cthulhu]

If you have a bipod an LMG is going to be decently accurate, especially when you take into account all the bullets you're shooting.

Of course, the ammo is going to be crazy expensive, which is why you just use a shotgun.  If you're really frugal you can make your own shells.

[Lord Shonus]

Per the assault rifle discussion I have two points to make:

First is the distinction between "assault rifle" which is a very specific term, used to designate a hand-held weapon, capable of firing full automatic, that fires a cartridge halfway between that of a pistol (full-auto weapons firing pistol cartridges are called sub-machine guns) and that of a full rifle (firing a full rifle cartridge designates a weapon as a machine gun). The term "Assault weapon is a term used only for legislative purposes that has no concrete definition, and every location with an assault weapon ban has different classifications, so that anything from a Marlin .22LR small game rifle (classified as an assault weapon in New Jersey at one time because it has semi-automatic fire and can hold more than 15 rounds in the integral magazine) to semi-automatic versions of military equipment.

The second is that a great many Americans believe that a governemnt with nothing to fear from it's citizens lacks an integral check on it's power, thus the mere threat of an armed citizenry provides a sufficient impetus to keep the government in line. Not all of these persons hoard weapons to overthrow the government, many do not even own one, because they feel that, as long as the population as a whole is armed, there will never be a need to go beyond the ballot box.

[Cthulhu]

In Ohio, you can't hunt with rifles.  You can hunt with Muzzleloaders, handguns (I believe), shotguns, and bows/crossbows.

Like it matters though, people in the sticks hunt with whatever, they don't care.

We're also not allowed to have fireworks.  No one cares about that one at all, though.  We just go to Kentucky, they've got fireworks stores all over the borders who don't sell to Ohioans we promise wink wink nudge nudge, and then we shoot them off anyway.  The cops don't care.

[Neonivek]

Do note gangs can and will just stab eachother if guns are not present. Guns don't change much between two groups that will use their bare fits to kill eachother.

It has a couple of effects -

- Reduces innocent casualties in the crossfire signicantly
- Allows the less hardcore members of these gangs to flee more safely

I've heard bystander victum statistics before but frankly I don't know if it is accurate.

The one I heard basically says: "There is a higher chance of a bystander getting shot in a shoot out then the participants"

[Lord Shonus]

Actually, last time I checked the hunting laws, the no rifles provision applied only to deer, as they need a fairly large gun to put down. For small game, rifles are okay. Of course, here in Toledo, the Michigan border is so close that it's easier just to get a MIchigan liscense, as there's a greater variety of game there.

[Muz]

I think that there should probably be restrictions on the actual running around part of assault rifles.  I mean, I wouldn't want someone running around with a light machine gun.  Things are scary.  But yes, I do want to let people HAVE them. Maybe like, "keep it in a locked, hard-sided box if you have to take it anywhere.  Like hunting.  With a full auto weapon.  OH YEAH.

What kind of sissy hunts with a full auto weapon? You'll get lead poisoning from eating the poor thing.

[Neruz]

The second is that a great many Americans believe that a governemnt with nothing to fear from it's citizens lacks an integral check on it's power, thus the mere threat of an armed citizenry provides a sufficient impetus to keep the government in line. Not all of these persons hoard weapons to overthrow the government, many do not even own one, because they feel that, as long as the population as a whole is armed, there will never be a need to go beyond the ballot box.

Considering America was a Democracy last time i checked, the government has plenty of reasons to want to keep the people happy without needing to worry about armies of idiots charging around the countryside and shooting each other.

Other Democratic Western countries get by just fine with gun control laws. What makes America so special? Apart from the paranoia.


I feel i should also add that 'fear' is the absolute last emotion you want the government feeling towards it's people.