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[webadict]

Now, Errol, why did you ignore my comment? Why are you focusing so much on Rolan7? Is it because you win when he's lynched? I mean, can't you find another scum? Or is it taking all of your current scum ability to find it now?

[Errol]

If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?

[Rolan7]

No, I overlooked it :X Sorry about that.

I thought it didn't matter because Akigagak already sabotaged the plan, which robbed it of whatever chance it still had. Not that I was optimistic about the whole thing, but I stated my opinion already. That is, it was neither practical nor had it a good chance to work.

By the way, you should probably not rely on the ICs too much. In the end, it's our game, and only the players decide what happens. And ICs are people too, they might just be wrong. For anything further, refer to the idea/execution differentiation.

True.  I referred to the IC's (and inteuniso) to show Akigigak that other people understood the plan.  I kept bringing them up because Akigigak kept ignoring this, but I'm done trying to convince him.

Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?

Errol, for buddying with Akigagak.  After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.

You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.

You know what, I think I am reading to much into this.  Particularly since you're being cool about it now.  Why do we even need to choose the second scum today anyway, just because Webadict asked?  I'm positive about Akigagak, only suspicious of you.

He's also supported Akigagak's mistake by ridiculing my plan.  More recently he's expressed willingness to forgive Akigagak for "one mishap - no matter how large".

That's my general policy. We're in Beginner's Mafia, so you get exactly one chance. Before you try to apply this yourself, you pulled your highly questionable tactics Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3. That's not exactly one failed chance.

(all I ever wanted was for Akigagak to *admit to* the mishap).

Unrelated.

Despite offering this "get out of lynch free" card to Akigagak, he once again votes me without explanation.  His last argument against me (beyond generally name-calling) was me "buddying" with inteuniso, which is ironic given his relationship with Akigagak.

This was mainly for SirBayers votecount. The last time I changed my vote was to vote you, and I see no real reason to change it, nor do I see a more scummy target. And, until that, my vote stays.

That's fair.  Of course I don't think you have a good case against me, but I was a bit too eager here.

Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim.  At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim.  The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.

Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.

Eh... I've admitted it was a long shot.  And yeah, it was practically impossible to execute properly.  So okay it had a very slim chance of success.

Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum.  The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.

You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.

I think I really have shown Akigagak to be scum.  We needed someone to step up and scumhunt.  Yeah this got out of hand and really heated, but otherwise how would we know who to vote for tonight?  Scum wins if we do nothing.

Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
 tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.

brb Dinner, having to make a break here.

I agree excessive self-defense is scummy, but only when it's to the exclusion of scumhunting.

I was heavily involved with the previous lynches, and that's suspicious.  My explanation is that I'm trying to keep the game going, and Dakarian made a post in day 2 saying scumhunters should always act completely certain and apply pressure.  I think maybe I took that too literally.  Notice that my latest case against Akigagak ignored his rabid cuss-fest, his overwhelming lists of completely baseless personal attacks.  I started ignoring all that and instead am focusing on solid arguments, like whether he sabotaged a town plan without reason, is he lying about what SirBayer told him, is he refusing to admit to an obvious mistake.  Instead of just saying he's acting scummy, which he certainly is, I'm demonstrating he's scum.  With all respect, I think my case against him is stronger than your case against me.

You seem a little suspicious of webadict, and I agree.  My first impulse was to trust him because he's an experienced player... which is clearly stupid.
He asks us who we think the second scum is.  Seems innocent enough, except that our arguments are already out.  I understand if he doesn't want to read them again, neither do I, but: what if he's trying to restart the arguing by asking us to repeat our arguments?  See?  Particularly he might have seen that you and I were calming down, and didn't want us cooperating like town should.

I don't know.  I have a headache and I'm going geocaching.  But I think the two scum are likely Akigagak and Webadict.

Fakedit: Wow, as I was typing:

Now, Errol, why did you ignore my comment? Why are you focusing so much on Rolan7? Is it because you win when he's lynched? I mean, can't you find another scum? Or is it taking all of your current scum ability to find it now?

I think he wants me to buddy with him against you, Errol.

[Akigagak]

No, I overlooked it :X Sorry about that.

I thought it didn't matter because Akigagak already sabotaged the plan, which robbed it of whatever chance it still had. Not that I was optimistic about the whole thing, but I stated my opinion already. That is, it was neither practical nor had it a good chance to work.

By the way, you should probably not rely on the ICs too much. In the end, it's our game, and only the players decide what happens. And ICs are people too, they might just be wrong. For anything further, refer to the idea/execution differentiation.

True.  I referred to the IC's (and inteuniso) to show Akigigak that other people understood the plan.  I kept bringing them up because Akigigak kept ignoring this, but I'm done trying to convince him.

They weren't explaining the plan, they were supporting the idea. The plan was not going to work. The idea had merit. But I knew that the massclaim was pointless, as everybody had a fluff-role. How hard is it to understand that?

Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?

Errol, for buddying with Akigagak.  After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.

You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.

You know what, I think I am reading to much into this.  Particularly since you're being cool about it now.  Why do we even need to choose the second scum today anyway, just because Webadict asked?  I'm positive about Akigagak, only suspicious of you.

Because it helps, once we've lynched you and confirm your scumminess, we still have one scum left to find.

He's also supported Akigagak's mistake by ridiculing my plan.  More recently he's expressed willingness to forgive Akigagak for "one mishap - no matter how large".

That's my general policy. We're in Beginner's Mafia, so you get exactly one chance. Before you try to apply this yourself, you pulled your highly questionable tactics Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3. That's not exactly one failed chance.

(all I ever wanted was for Akigagak to *admit to* the mishap).

Unrelated.

Despite offering this "get out of lynch free" card to Akigagak, he once again votes me without explanation.  His last argument against me (beyond generally name-calling) was me "buddying" with inteuniso, which is ironic given his relationship with Akigagak.

This was mainly for SirBayers votecount. The last time I changed my vote was to vote you, and I see no real reason to change it, nor do I see a more scummy target. And, until that, my vote stays.

That's fair.  Of course I don't think you have a good case against me, but I was a bit too eager here.

Okay, lets pretend you are town: remember what I said about scum only needing to get two townies into a fight to win? Well, lookie here. Errol seeming to go along with me in pointing out the numerous holes in your plan. Then 3 pages of arguments about that damn plan, to which most of yours were 'But it Could have worked, and now you ruined it.' Which it couldn't have.

Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim.  At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim.  The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.

Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.

Eh... I've admitted it was a long shot.  And yeah, it was practically impossible to execute properly.  So okay it had a very slim chance of success.

It had no chance. None. And my claim was not the worst thing that could have been done, it was your insistance that the ICs agreed with your plan, and not just it's idea.

Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum.  The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.

You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.

I think I really have shown Akigagak to be scum.  We needed someone to step up and scumhunt.  Yeah this got out of hand and really heated, but otherwise how would we know who to vote for tonight?  Scum wins if we do nothing.

I feel exactly the same way about you.  Over the last couple of pages you either repeatedly mis-read, ignored, or 'didn't see' posts, or you chose to pretend to. The examples are there, if you want to look at them, as I don't think I can fit all of that into this post.

Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
 tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.

I agree excessive self-defense is scummy, but only when it's to the exclusion of scumhunting.

I was heavily involved with the previous lynches, and that's suspicious.  My explanation is that I'm trying to keep the game going, and Dakarian made a post in day 2 saying scumhunters should always act completely certain and apply pressure.  I think maybe I took that too literally.  Notice that my latest case against Akigagak ignored his rabid cuss-fest, his overwhelming lists of completely baseless personal attacks. I started ignoring all that and instead am focusing on solid arguments, like whether he sabotaged a town plan without reason, is he lying about what SirBayer told him, is he refusing to admit to an obvious mistake.  Instead of just saying he's acting scummy, which he certainly is, I'm demonstrating he's scum.  With all respect, I think my case against him is stronger than your case against me.

Sorry for getting frustrated with your childish behavior, but if you respond to a post that has attacks against the way you seem to be ignoring points that you don't want to deal with, which you still haven't dealt with, which prove that you weren't paying full attention to the arguments against you. You then prove those attacks right by posting this:

Doo de doo, guess we're waiting for Inteuniso and Therion to be replaced.  Wonder what scared them off?

...

pretty quiet around here.

And you're surprised I get annoyed at this?

[Rolan7]

They weren't explaining the plan, they were supporting the idea. The plan was not going to work. The idea had merit. But I knew that the massclaim was pointless, as everybody had a fluff-role. How hard is it to understand that?

You asked why anyone would lie about what they got.  Since *only you* knew scum had fluff roles (if they do), this was a stupid question.  They pointed out how stupid this question was.  Instead of explaining how you knew the roles were unimportant, you said "nuh uh, they aren't important so I'm gonna post mine".  I understand why a townie would claim, and I don't understand why a townie wouldn't just explain the situation.

Okay, everyone, you're all set on who you believe is the first scum. But, who do you believe is the second scum and why?

Errol, for buddying with Akigagak.  After Akigagak made his stupid roleclaim, Errol essentially came to his defense by roleclaiming as well.

You might be reading too much into this... I put no thought in that action, which, in retrospect, was really stupid.

You know what, I think I am reading to much into this.  Particularly since you're being cool about it now.  Why do we even need to choose the second scum today anyway, just because Webadict asked?  I'm positive about Akigagak, only suspicious of you.

Because it helps, once we've lynched you and confirm your scumminess, we still have one scum left to find.

No it doesn't help, we need to focus on finding *one* scum today.  Speculating on the second scum is going to make people angry, divide people, make it harder to prevent scum from tying up the vote.  All three town need to vote the same person or we lose, period.

Okay, lets pretend you are town: remember what I said about scum only needing to get two townies into a fight to win? Well, lookie here. Errol seeming to go along with me in pointing out the numerous holes in your plan. Then 3 pages of arguments about that damn plan, to which most of yours were 'But it Could have worked, and now you ruined it.' Which it couldn't have.

No I don't remember you saying that.  Will you quote it?  Did you say it before I did?

*sigh*
I'll state it another way so people understand it:

All three town are going to have to vote for the same person, or else the two scum will screw the vote at the last moment.

In fact you gave me nothing but crap for it.  So no, you can't claim it was your idea.

Before inteuniso went AWOL, he tried to organize the mass-claim.  At that time Errol and Akigagak were actively lurking while Inteuniso and I tried to do the mass-claim.  The mass-claim was apparently *so unimportant* that they started posting again just to sabotage it and call me stupid for being involved.

Being involved - or trying to push the thing through? That's two different things. Much like Akigagak never admitted that his individual claim was the single worst thing he did you never - or too late, after stubbornly insisting some time - admitted your plan was, basically, retarded, in terms of execution.

Eh... I've admitted it was a long shot.  And yeah, it was practically impossible to execute properly.  So okay it had a very slim chance of success.

It had no chance. None. And my claim was not the worst thing that could have been done, it was your insistance that the ICs agreed with your plan, and not just it's idea.

The ICs understood the plan and tried to explain it to you.  You acted like you didn't understand it. 
The plan did have a chance, you're lying about what SirBayer told you.  I know this because you've changed from "He told me they don't matter" to "He told me the scum have them too".  Besides which you didn't explain why the plan had no chance until *after* you killed it yourself, scum.

Thus I think Errol and Akigagak are both scum.  The least scummy thing they've done is attack me relentlessly for trying to help.

You helped as much as me, or Akigagak. Which is, not very much. All what we did was riling each other up.

I think I really have shown Akigagak to be scum.  We needed someone to step up and scumhunt.  Yeah this got out of hand and really heated, but otherwise how would we know who to vote for tonight?  Scum wins if we do nothing.

I feel exactly the same way about you.  Over the last couple of pages you either repeatedly mis-read, ignored, or 'didn't see' posts, or you chose to pretend to. The examples are there, if you want to look at them, as I don't think I can fit all of that into this post.

How convenient that you don't quote even one.
Like I told Errol, I'm no longer trying to show you're scummy.  I've shown you're scum. 
So I don't really care how much you call me scummy, because you can't show me to be scum.

Now, lemme make my case. At the moment, it is most likely that Rolan7 is scum. He doesn't listen to arguments or listens to the exact wrong passages, pulling them out of context, tried to push a lynch through every day so far, with great recklessness. Day 1, you had a slapfight with dorf just like today. Difference is you actually were more sensible then, didn't defend quite as much, and you didn't grasp at straws, which is what most of your arguments are consisting of at this point. It's almost as if you are struggling for arguments. Like scum.
Day 2 you jumped on the ExKirby-wagon at a rather late point (I admit that I did that too), and only surfaced after being voted for. Then you destroyed every single chance ExKirby might have used for proving his town-ness, not only by getting on rather late, but by virtue of brutalness of attack, like you always do.
 tl;dr: Your method of scumhunting is mainly consisting of getting your target lynched, not getting scum lynched. This is an indication
The second place was originally Therion, now replaced by webadict, whom everyone seems to assume as town. However, web stays on the sidelines. There might be a reason for this, but for now, I'll assume the worst.
Alternatively, Akigagak might be scum. If he slips up again, we can be certain, but at the moment, it's just a possibility.

I agree excessive self-defense is scummy, but only when it's to the exclusion of scumhunting.

I was heavily involved with the previous lynches, and that's suspicious.  My explanation is that I'm trying to keep the game going, and Dakarian made a post in day 2 saying scumhunters should always act completely certain and apply pressure.  I think maybe I took that too literally.  Notice that my latest case against Akigagak ignored his rabid cuss-fest, his overwhelming lists of completely baseless personal attacks. I started ignoring all that and instead am focusing on solid arguments, like whether he sabotaged a town plan without reason, is he lying about what SirBayer told him, is he refusing to admit to an obvious mistake.  Instead of just saying he's acting scummy, which he certainly is, I'm demonstrating he's scum.  With all respect, I think my case against him is stronger than your case against me.

Sorry for getting frustrated with your childish behavior, but if you respond to a post that has attacks against the way you seem to be ignoring points that you don't want to deal with, which you still haven't dealt with, which prove that you weren't paying full attention to the arguments against you. You then prove those attacks right by posting this:

Doo de doo, guess we're waiting for Inteuniso and Therion to be replaced.  Wonder what scared them off?

...

pretty quiet around here.

And you're surprised I get annoyed at this?

Since you had just posted this:

Oh God that was the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
...
He did. Read his sodding post beyond the first two words of every sentence.
And then:
...
You just proved his damn point. Well done, that's so stupid you're making me angry.
...
Because. It. Bloody. Well. Doesn't.
...
Nice fucking skim read.

I think rather than annoying you, it got you to calm down a bit.
Besides which you're taking it too personal.  I was looking forward to replacements coming in and everyone moving on from the stupid flamewar.

[Akigagak]

They weren't explaining the plan, they were supporting the idea. The plan was not going to work. The idea had merit. But I knew that the massclaim was pointless, as everybody had a fluff-role. How hard is it to understand that?

You asked why anyone would lie about what they got.  Since *only you* knew scum had fluff roles (if they do), this was a stupid question.  They pointed out how stupid this question was.  Instead of explaining how you knew the roles were unimportant, you said "nuh uh, they aren't important so I'm gonna post mine".  I understand why a townie would claim, and I don't understand why a townie wouldn't just explain the situation.

Good god. You brought this up before, and I pointed out this:

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

I mean, you even replied to my bringing it up.
And now you ask the same question again, even after you got an answer. Have you ran out of augments, and are now bringing up old ones in the hope I've forgotten about them?

*sigh*
I'll state it another way so people understand it:

All three town are going to have to vote for the same person, or else the two scum will screw the vote at the last moment.

You left out the rest of that post, why?

I'm volunteering to *not* be the townie who makes the final decision.

WE HAVE TO BUDDY OR DIE.  Even then we lose if therion is town and doesn't get replaced.

Because it shows scummy behavior. And if you want to use IC post against me, I'll return the favor.

Rolan I am disappoint.

That was in response to the post you only half-quoted. Clearly it shows that you reasoning is flawed and that I am right.

I told you I'd return the favor, so I did what you did: Twisted their single sentence for my own means.

The ICs understood the plan and tried to explain it to you.  You acted like you didn't understand it.
The plan did have a chance, you're lying about what SirBayer told you.  I know this because you've changed from "He told me they don't matter" to "He told me the scum have them too".

Doesn't the fact that the scum have them too mean that they don't matter? I see no change.

Besides which you didn't explain why the plan had no chance until *after* you killed it yourself, scum.

Wrong, I explained why it wouldn't work, then I killed it. Check the damn thread please.

How convenient that you don't quote even one.

Do I need to? There are two pages full of examples of your inability to read, they're not hard to miss, though you probably would.

[/quote]
Since you had just posted this:

    Oh God that was the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
    ...
    He did. Read his sodding post beyond the first two words of every sentence.
    And then:
    ...
    You just proved his damn point. Well done, that's so stupid you're making me angry.
    ...
    Because. It. Bloody. Well. Doesn't.
    ...
    Nice fucking skim read.

I think rather than annoying you, it got you to calm down a bit.
Besides which you're taking it too personal.  I was looking forward to replacements coming in and everyone moving on from the stupid flamewar.[/quote]

That post was because I was getting tried of you ignoring/twisting posts to prove a point. And you still didn't read it properly, as you didn't respond to anything in it. Do so.

[Org]

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

Only Rolan and Vector know what I mean...

[SirBayer]

Inteuniso is still not posting. He is being replaced.

[Org]

Not me. I must be the IC.

[Org]

Spoiler: Scummymon (click to show/hide)

I want to be the very best
Like no one ever was
to hunt them is my real test
to lynch them is my causeeeeeeee

I will travel across the thread
Searching far and wide
Teaching the town to use their head
to find the scum inside

Scummymon!
Its you and me
I know its my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my protector friend
In a town we must defend
Scummymon!
Our alignment so true
Our roles will pull us through
You teach me and I'll teach you
Scummymon!
Gotta catch 'em all!

Every night along the way
With a protector I will face
I will vote every day
To claim my rightful place
Buddy with me, the day is right
There's no better townie team
Vote in vote we'll win the mafia fight
It's always been our win condition scheme

Scummymon!
Its you and me
I know its my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my protector friend
In a town we must defend
Scummymon!
Our alignment so true
Our roles will pull us through
You teach me and I'll teach you
Scummymon!
Gotta catch 'em all!

Scummymon!
Its you and me
I know its my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my protector friend
In a town we must defend
Scummymon!
Our alignment so true
Our roles will pull us through
You teach me and I'll teach you
Scummymon!
Gotta catch 'em all!

Edited for slightly better rhyming.

Also added the half-verse.

Scum Version

Spoiler: Scum Version (click to show/hide)

I wanna be the very best
Like noone ever was
To confuse them is my real test
To wifom them is my cause

I will travel across the thread
Lurking far and wide
Each townie to fakeclaim embed
The scummyness that's inside

Scummymon!
It's you and me
I know it's my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my Godfather friend
In a scum team we must defend
Scummymon!
Our fakeclaims, lolz so true
Our tactics will pull us through
You bus me and I'll lynch you
Scummymon
Gotta kill 'em all!

Every doctor along the way
With daggers I will face
I will kill every day
To claim my rightful place
Bandwagon with me, the time is right
There's no better scum team
Lynch in lynch, we'll win the fight
It's always been our scummy dream

Scummymon!
It's you and me
I know it's my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my Godfather friend
In a scum team we must defend
Scummymon!
Our fakeclaims, lolz so true
Our tactics will pull us through
You bus me and I'll lynch you
Scummymon
Gotta kill 'em all!

Scummymon!
It's you and me
I know it's my win condition destiny
Scummymon!
Ooh, you're my Godfather friend
In a scum team we must defend
Scummymon!
Our fakeclaims, lolz so true
Our tactics will pull us through
You bus me and I'll lynch you
Scummymon
Gotta kill 'em all!

Okay. Sorry to do that. Someone wanted me to.

[webadict]

If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?

Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.

So, if you're going to lie, do it to someone who isn't a moron.

Now, one more time, to both Errol and Akigigak, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE SECOND SCUM AND WHY!

If you do not post soon, I will only assume you're trying your best not to come up with an actual answer, or trying to come up with one together.

[Errol]

If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?

Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.

So, if you're going to lie, do it to someone who isn't a moron.

Now, one more time, to both Errol and Akigigak, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE SECOND SCUM AND WHY!

If you do not post soon, I will only assume you're trying your best not to come up with an actual answer, or trying to come up with one together.

And that's all what I know - I have no solid lead on the second scum at the moment. To my current knowledge it's either you or Akigagak. I also stated the reasons why I suspect these people. I can't pull a waterproof explanation out of my rear end. No matter what I do, you WILL attempt to turn it against me. Would you care expending the same amount of effort on other people?
I have the feeling that you wouldn't be as harsh under other circumstances. Like, if Rolan7 or inteuniso posted what I posted. Are you trying to distract people from your person?
Actually, I might say now - you first. You state your suspicions and reasons for them, you make them as waterproof as you wish mine to be, and you cast your vote.

Because, if you don't do it - if you still refuse to actually act like a player, not like Big Buddy - you'll have the honor of advancing to Rank 1 of my suspicion list, King Webadict.

[webadict]

If you actually read my post, you will find your questions answered. But you apparently didn't bother. Now who is ignoring whom here?

Wrong. You're words were that you HAD no idea who was scum and was having an IDEA that it might be me, but you had no proof and you had no real reasons listed. You just sorta said it. Not even an attempt.

So, if you're going to lie, do it to someone who isn't a moron.

Now, one more time, to both Errol and Akigigak, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE SECOND SCUM AND WHY!

If you do not post soon, I will only assume you're trying your best not to come up with an actual answer, or trying to come up with one together.

And that's all what I know - I have no solid lead on the second scum at the moment. To my current knowledge it's either you or Akigagak. I also stated the reasons why I suspect these people. I can't pull a waterproof explanation out of my rear end. No matter what I do, you WILL attempt to turn it against me. Would you care expending the same amount of effort on other people?
I have the feeling that you wouldn't be as harsh under other circumstances. Like, if Rolan7 or inteuniso posted what I posted. Are you trying to distract people from your person?
Actually, I might say now - you first. You state your suspicions and reasons for them, you make them as waterproof as you wish mine to be, and you cast your vote.

Because, if you don't do it - if you still refuse to actually act like a player, not like Big Buddy - you'll have the honor of advancing to Rank 1 of my suspicion list, King Webadict.

That's what I'm trying to glean. Because, as it stands, it is either Rolan7 and anyone else, or it's Akigigak and Errol, because the scum can hammer at any time if it's not that (I'm going with situation 2.) I'm just trying to find the probability that two newbie town would be voting together on a single scum. It's not very likely at all. And, you've got a lot against you.

And if I'm Rank 1, why aren't you voting for me? It's like saying I'm the most suspicious without doing anything about it.

And if Akigagak is also scum, that means that Rolan7 and Akigagak are on separate camps. You didn't mention that Akigagak hasn't responded once to my posts. Wanna know why? Because he doesn't have any reasons. He doesn't need to, because, in fact, he's scum. I know you didn't consider that, because you're likely his partner, which would be WHY he's SECOND on your list, because there's a psychological phenomenon. Basically, a person asks somebody to list 1 real thing about themselves and 2 fake things. Now, when somebody lists them, they usually list one fake one FIRST, followed by the others being switched around. They also take longer on the fake ones and list the real one very fast, not on purpose, but because they're thinking what would be the best way to put them. You didn't try to explain the Akigagak one either. That's was a way to make yourself more believable. It didn't really work, because I don't believe a word of it. Also, being scum, you really don't want to push me away. You're trying to make me vote WITH you. Pushing me away is not going to win the game for you. It's just making you really obvious.

You didn't put up inteuniso, so you've got a read on him? The lurker? Really? I didn't think that was possible. I don't even have a read on him. But you're the scum. I'll believe it. Perhaps you're hoping the guy that comes in to replace him is going to side with you, the magical reader of lurkers? I highly doubt it.

[Akigagak]

I'm posting this whlie experiancing the aftereffects of genral anesthetic. i hate dentists
Forgive me for probably not being able to post very much. or very clearly.

[Errol]

That's what I'm trying to glean. Because, as it stands, it is either Rolan7 and anyone else, or it's Akigigak and Errol, because the scum can hammer at any time if it's not that (I'm going with situation 2.) I'm just trying to find the probability that two newbie town would be voting together on a single scum. It's not very likely at all. And, you've got a lot against you.

And if I'm Rank 1, why aren't you voting for me? It's like saying I'm the most suspicious without doing anything about it.

That sounds like a misread. All I said that you're getting more suspicious, but not suspicious enough to vote you instead of Rolan7. You are not Rank 1, but on the best way to it.

And if Akigagak is also scum, that means that Rolan7 and Akigagak are on separate camps. You didn't mention that Akigagak hasn't responded once to my posts. Wanna know why? Because he doesn't have any reasons. He doesn't need to, because, in fact, he's scum. I know you didn't consider that, because you're likely his partner, which would be WHY he's SECOND on your list, because there's a psychological phenomenon. Basically, a person asks somebody to list 1 real thing about themselves and 2 fake things. Now, when somebody lists them, they usually list one fake one FIRST, followed by the others being switched around. They also take longer on the fake ones and list the real one very fast, not on purpose, but because they're thinking what would be the best way to put them. You didn't try to explain the Akigagak one either. That's was a way to make yourself more believable. It didn't really work, because I don't believe a word of it. Also, being scum, you really don't want to push me away. You're trying to make me vote WITH you. Pushing me away is not going to win the game for you. It's just making you really obvious.[/quote]

I notice you are trying to lump people in groups - here, the miserable scum team of Errol and Akigagak, there, the glorious town of Webadict, Rolan7 et cetera. That's like the stupid assumption that in any given fight of two persons one HAS to be scum, only on a larger scale. You're attempting to sway somebody - anybody - into voting whatever target you have. It's really funny how you ignore Rolan7 too. He didn't even post today. But that's because a) he is your scumbuddy or b) he's your coveted voter you need to win over. Either way, he is to be treated with a minimum of fuss.

You didn't put up inteuniso, so you've got a read on him? The lurker? Really? I didn't think that was possible. I don't even have a read on him. But you're the scum. I'll believe it. Perhaps you're hoping the guy that comes in to replace him is going to side with you, the magical reader of lurkers? I highly doubt it.

The thing with inteuniso? It would be stupid, plainly seen. I have no read on him, yes, and that's the reason I'm not taking action against him, at least until the replacement issue is resolved. I'm usually the sort of player going for an "innocent until proven guilty" judgment. Especially in cases where I can say absolutely nothing.

So, yeah, what can I say? I would like to know why you have been avoiding Rolan7 up to this point, please. The whole business smells fishy.