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[Akigagak]

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me.  Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote. 

It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.

Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Instead you claimed.  Your claim was still anti-town.

No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.

Here's what you should have quoted:

*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now.  I thought better of posting them.

Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum.  So you claimed all by yourself.  Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.

I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum.  This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.

This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible.  But it's still a chance to learn something.  Your claim has damaged even this slim chance.  Understand now?

You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong.  SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him.  I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too. 

Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.

Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".

Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.

I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"

[Rolan7]

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me.  Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote. 

It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.

Order of events
1) You claim SirBayer told you flavor roles do nothing (which you seem to think means scum has them)
2) I, clearly missing what you said, try to explain why the flavor roles are important because they're unique.
3) You claim that they aren't important, without citing anything, including the claim from 1.
4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.
5) You have another opportunity to retort with the "PM from SirBayer", but instead sabotage the plan with a individual claim.  "Since it doesn't matter".  Ignoring everyone who tried to help you.
6) Errol sabotages too, then you two take turns calling me an idiot for ever considering such a stupid plan.  Not Inteuniso, not Pandarsenic, not Org, not Webadict, just me.
7) You and me roughly simultaneously find your post from step 1, claiming that you privately asked the mod for rules clarification and he privately sent it to you.

I said you didn't post a defense because you didn't.  I'm constantly digging up old things I said in order to defend myself.  You needed to do this *once* and didn't.

Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Instead you claimed.  Your claim was still anti-town.

No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.

Dude, even if you're not lying, my plan *still* could have worked.  For one thing, what are you even claiming SirBayer said.  You've claimed two things separately:
1) Fluff roles are useless
2) Everyone has fluff roles including scum
Primarily 1.  I've explained how my plan still would have worked even if fluff roles are "useless" as long as they're unique. 
As for the second claim, it's not what you originally claimed.  Your story is changing.  But hey, even if SirBayer said scum has fluff roles, WHY DID YOU CLAIM A ROLE.  You claimed it didn't matter, so why do it?  All it did was sabotage the plan if you're wrong.

Here's what you should have quoted:

*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now.  I thought better of posting them.

Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum.  So you claimed all by yourself.  Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.

I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum.  This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.

This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible.  But it's still a chance to learn something.  Your claim has damaged even this slim chance.  Understand now?

You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong.  SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him.  I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too. 

Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.

Because that's a defense.  Responding to my attack, which was partially invalidated by an earlier message, with a quote of that message.

I have been fending off dozens of invalid attacks from you and Errol.  I do this by quoting earlier messages which demonstrate their falsity.  I can't ignore the attacks just because I know they're invalid, that looks scummy. 

But that's what you did here: I made a sloppy attack which was wide open for you to defend against, and you ignored the mistake which should have been obvious to you.

I think you got your lies mixed up, but that's just an opinion.

Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".

Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.

I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"

One more time:
1) I didn't see your earlier post: whoops.  You didn't point out your earlier post until now: scum.
2) People who think my plan was crap:
You and Errol
People who tried to explain my plan or supported it:
Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.  They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

TLDR:
You still haven't explained why you claimed a role.

Your story about SirBayer's PM is changing.

You ignored the IC's trying to explain my plan to you.

Well, this bears repeating:

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.  They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

[Akigagak]

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me.  Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote. 

It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.

Order of events
1) You claim SirBayer told you flavor roles do nothing (which you seem to think means scum has them)
2) I, clearly missing what you said, try to explain why the flavor roles are important because they're unique.
3) You claim that they aren't important, without citing anything, including the claim from 1.
4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.
5) You have another opportunity to retort with the "PM from SirBayer", but instead sabotage the plan with a individual claim.  "Since it doesn't matter".  Ignoring everyone who tried to help you.
6) Errol sabotages too, then you two take turns calling me an idiot for ever considering such a stupid plan.  Not Inteuniso, not Pandarsenic, not Org, not Webadict, just me.
7) You and me roughly simultaneously find your post from step 1, claiming that you privately asked the mod for rules clarification and he privately sent it to you.

I said you didn't post a defense because you didn't.  I'm constantly digging up old things I said in order to defend myself.  You needed to do this *once* and didn't.

Because it was two posts before yours, how could you have missed it? I have to assume you were just in a rush to defend your thick-as-two-short-planks plan, and didn't bother to read the thread to check if any particular points had been addressed. That's stupid scum.

Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Instead you claimed.  Your claim was still anti-town.

No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.

Dude, even if you're not lying, my plan *still* could have worked.  For one thing, what are you even claiming SirBayer said.  You've claimed two things separately:
1) Fluff roles are useless
2) Everyone has fluff roles including scum
Primarily 1.  I've explained how my plan still would have worked even if fluff roles are "useless" as long as they're unique. 
As for the second claim, it's not what you originally claimed.  Your story is changing.  But hey, even if SirBayer said scum has fluff roles, WHY DID YOU CLAIM A ROLE.  You claimed it didn't matter, so why do it?  All it did was sabotage the plan if you're wrong.

As you point out, I said they were useless first. Because everybody had one. Please point out if I've actually contradicted myself.

Here's what you should have quoted:

*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now.  I thought better of posting them.

Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum.  So you claimed all by yourself.  Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.

I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum.  This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.

This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible.  But it's still a chance to learn something.  Your claim has damaged even this slim chance.  Understand now?

You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong.  SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him.  I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too. 

Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.

Because that's a defense.  Responding to my attack, which was partially invalidated by an earlier message, with a quote of that message.

I have been fending off dozens of invalid attacks from you and Errol.  I do this by quoting earlier messages which demonstrate their falsity.  I can't ignore the attacks just because I know they're invalid, that looks scummy. 

Wow, you seem to have regained the use of your sodding eyes since day three began. Although you're still selectively blind to posts other than your own.

It's not a defense, it was pointing out a post to you that you really shouldn't have missed. It showed that you were just making posts with out reading all of the ones before the last.

But that's what you did here: I made a sloppy attack which was wide open for you to defend against, and you ignored the mistake which should have been obvious to you.

I was, in fact, giving you a chance to fix your obvious mistake. You know, by reading the posts in the thread.

I think you got your lies mixed up, but that's just an opinion.

Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".

Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.

I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"

One more time:
1) I didn't see your earlier post: whoops.  You didn't point out your earlier post until now: scum.

I'm scum because you can't keep track of the thread? Should I have to expect to repeat myself after every one of your arguments because of your inability to read posts in a game that is all about reading peoples posts?

2) People who think my plan was crap:
You and Errol

Yes, only me and Errol have posted about how crap your plan was, but that because we're the only ones besides you who are actually posting, and you still haven't made me see your plan as workable.

People who tried to explain my plan or supported it:
Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.

They supported the idea, not the plan, as Errol said.

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan. 
They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who haven't posted today. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there's only one idiot who keeps trying to make successful attacks against anyone he can. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.

TLDR:
You still haven't explained why you claimed a role.

Because they do nothing, they reveal nothing, they mean nothing.

Your story about SirBayer's PM is changing.

Where?
1. I say that I've been told by SirBayer that the fluff-roles are useless and meaningless.
2. ....

You ignored the IC's trying to explain my plan to you.

Did I? I'm fairly sure I actually read their posts, and still didn't see how your plan would work. Because the roles are unimportant.

Well, this bears repeating:

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.  They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who haven't posted today. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.
Oh look, there are two scum left, and there's only one idiot who keeps trying to make successful attacks against anyone he can. HMMMM. HMMMMMMMM.

[SirBayer]

Hey, SirBayer, do you think that I'd be abe to replace Therion, or perhaps inteuniso, so that the game can keep moving?

FUCK YES

SirBayer, please tell us if fluff roles are important.

If they were important, they wouldn't be fluff roles. :I

If possible, avoid using Word of Gamemaster when possible. Fluff roles are fluff roles, nothing more. Flavor is delicious, I didn't break the damn game, blah blah blah relax.

[Rolan7]

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

[webadict]

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.

So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.

I'm also awaiting Therion's role.

[Rolan7]

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.

So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.

I'm also awaiting Therion's role.

Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it.  They still haven't explained why they did that.  "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.

I'm done responding to Akigagak.  I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong.  If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity.  All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.

[Errol]

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.

So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.

I'm also awaiting Therion's role.

Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it.  They still haven't explained why they did that.  "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.

I'm done responding to Akigagak.  I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong.  If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity.  All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.

Once again, you dismiss... well, quite a lot. For example, Akig's entire damn last post. According to you, leaving out arguments is scummy. Therefore, you act scummy.

Please point out the fallacy.

As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.

Although I suspect you wouldn't have achieved anything anyway.

[Org]

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me.  Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote. 

It was against your claim that I hadn't defended myself on how I knew everybody got fluff-roles until now. notice the date and time of that post? It's from before this mess got started. You complained about me not posting a defense when there was one from BEFORE this crap got out of control.

Order of events
1) You claim SirBayer told you flavor roles do nothing (which you seem to think means scum has them)
2) I, clearly missing what you said, try to explain why the flavor roles are important because they're unique.
3) You claim that they aren't important, without citing anything, including the claim from 1.
4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.
5) You have another opportunity to retort with the "PM from SirBayer", but instead sabotage the plan with a individual claim.  "Since it doesn't matter".  Ignoring everyone who tried to help you.
6) Errol sabotages too, then you two take turns calling me an idiot for ever considering such a stupid plan.  Not Inteuniso, not Pandarsenic, not Org, not Webadict, just me.
7) You and me roughly simultaneously find your post from step 1, claiming that you privately asked the mod for rules clarification and he privately sent it to you.

I said you didn't post a defense because you didn't.  I'm constantly digging up old things I said in order to defend myself.  You needed to do this *once* and didn't.

Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Instead you claimed.  Your claim was still anti-town.

No, my claim was anti-bullshit. Your plan wouldn't have worked, I told you how I knew it wouldn't work, but you kept going on about it, as if it was towns last chance, when all it would have done is made public what pointless fluff roles people had gotten.

Dude, even if you're not lying, my plan *still* could have worked.  For one thing, what are you even claiming SirBayer said.  You've claimed two things separately:
1) Fluff roles are useless
2) Everyone has fluff roles including scum
Primarily 1.  I've explained how my plan still would have worked even if fluff roles are "useless" as long as they're unique. 
As for the second claim, it's not what you originally claimed.  Your story is changing.  But hey, even if SirBayer said scum has fluff roles, WHY DID YOU CLAIM A ROLE.  You claimed it didn't matter, so why do it?  All it did was sabotage the plan if you're wrong.

Here's what you should have quoted:

*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now.  I thought better of posting them.

Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum.  So you claimed all by yourself.  Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.

I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum.  This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.

This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible.  But it's still a chance to learn something.  Your claim has damaged even this slim chance.  Understand now?

You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong.  SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him.  I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too. 

Why should I have quoted that, exactly? Again, see the date and time of that post I made? Or, more specifically, notice it was only just above that one of yours that you just quoted. Those posts I made, mostly in response to the ICs, already dealt with most of these problems.

Because that's a defense.  Responding to my attack, which was partially invalidated by an earlier message, with a quote of that message.

I have been fending off dozens of invalid attacks from you and Errol.  I do this by quoting earlier messages which demonstrate their falsity.  I can't ignore the attacks just because I know they're invalid, that looks scummy. 

But that's what you did here: I made a sloppy attack which was wide open for you to defend against, and you ignored the mistake which should have been obvious to you.

I think you got your lies mixed up, but that's just an opinion.

Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".

Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.

I did? You're the one who ignored/didn't see my explanation. I only responded about this crap plan of yours because I thought you had another point to make besides "You claim to know things, if you don't explain how, you must be scum"

One more time:
1) I didn't see your earlier post: whoops.  You didn't point out your earlier post until now: scum.
2) People who think my plan was crap:
You and Errol
People who tried to explain my plan or supported it:
Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.  They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

TLDR:
You still haven't explained why you claimed a role.

Your story about SirBayer's PM is changing.

You ignored the IC's trying to explain my plan to you.

Well, this bears repeating:

Oh look, there are two scum left, and there are only two people who maintain I had a bad plan.  They're best defense relies on privately divulged information which is changing as they're pressed about.  HMMMM.  HMMMMMMMM.

When.

[Rolan7]

4) Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me support the plan and try to explain it to you.

When.

No problem, Webadict starts it here:

Just so you guys know, in games where everyone has a specific role, even if it's flavor, it's best to post what that role is, just in case the mafia do not have a specific role.

The next dozen or so posts are the area I'm referring to.
You do say that mass-claims suck and only work in broken games, true, but what I'm refering to is:

I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?

... Really?

Really?

I know. I face-palmed too.

This isn't your first game, right Aki?

[Akigagak]

*head-desk*
Jesus Christ.

This is exactly what Errol just said.
Stop ignoring attacks on you, instead of just claiming you don't.

In fact, you haven't addressed these yet:

Did you miss them?

Or did you instead chose to ignore them and answer Orgs question? A question which shows that you mis-interpreted, or tried to twist, IC posts.

[Rolan7]

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.

So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.

I'm also awaiting Therion's role.

Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it.  They still haven't explained why they did that.  "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.

I'm done responding to Akigagak.  I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong.  If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity.  All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.

Once again, you dismiss... well, quite a lot. For example, Akig's entire damn last post. According to you, leaving out arguments is scummy. Therefore, you act scummy.

Please point out the fallacy.

Ok, sure.  Your assumption that I dismiss arguments before now is incorrect.  As always, you're welcome to provide examples.
Do I get a cookie for pointing out the fallacy?  No, everyone's just going to move on as if you aren't pulling arguments out of thin air.  People believe what they're told repeatedly, so you win even though I defended myself.  This is why I'm ignoring Akigagak now: he demonstrated a complete inability to make a case against me, and my responses were just boring people and giving him credibility.  So now I'm ignoring him in favor of people willing to actually talk.

If you continue to sling accusation after accusation, moving on as I defeat them, then accuse me of ignoring arguments, then it's equally pointless to talk to you.

If Akigagak wants to make a case against me then I'm still willing to respond to it.  He'll just have to find someone else to support the case first.

As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.

Why would you think it didn't matter?  Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant?  (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
If so, this implies a lot of faith in Akigagak, and a complete disregard for Pandarsenic, Webadict, and the chance to get town some information.

I demand to know why you ignored the three of us and claimed, if it "didn't matter".

Oh, and Akigagak, I guess this post proves that I'm not ignoring Errol.  You sling another handful of mud, and I demonstrate that it's cow excrement.

[Akigagak]

Oh God that was the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

Crap, asked the wrong question (the one Akigagak originally claimed to ask).

Ok time to test Akigagak's adjusted claim that Sir Bayer told him scum have fluff roles.
Sir Bayer, were scum given fluff roles that look like townie fluff roles?

If they weren't before, they're probably getting some now.

So, waiting to claim them is stupid, and not claiming them right away just gives scum time to make one.

I'm also awaiting Therion's role.

Yeah, I sorta gave up on the mass-claim idea when Agigagak and Errol sabotaged it.  They still haven't explained why they did that.  "Because it didn't matter" is a reason *not* to do something.

I'm done responding to Akigagak.  I've made my case against him and he's done nothing to show me wrong.  If someone wants me to respond to him, just quote his "argument" at me and I will, but I'm done tearing down his endless walls of inanity.  All this pointless back and forth probably drove Therion and Inteuniso away in the first place.

Once again, you dismiss... well, quite a lot. For example, Akig's entire damn last post. According to you, leaving out arguments is scummy. Therefore, you act scummy.

Please point out the fallacy.

Ok, sure.  Your assumption that I dismiss arguments before now is incorrect.  As always, you're welcome to provide examples.

He did. Read his sodding post beyond the first two words of every sentence.
And then:

Do I get a cookie for pointing out the fallacy?  No, everyone's just going to move on as if you aren't pulling arguments out of thin air.  People believe what they're told repeatedly, so you win even though I defended myself.  This is why I'm ignoring Akigagak now: he demonstrated a complete inability to make a case against me, and my responses were just boring people and giving him credibility.  So now I'm ignoring him in favor of people willing to actually talk.

If you continue to sling accusation after accusation, moving on as I defeat them, then accuse me of ignoring arguments, then it's equally pointless to talk to you.

You just proved his damn point. Well done, that's so stupid you're making me angry.

If Akigagak wants to make a case against me then I'm still willing to respond to it.  He'll just have to find someone else to support the case first.

As for the claim... well, I admit, that wasn't thought out by me, because it 'didn't matter.' I have no idea what Akigagak was doing at that point, though, or why he did what he did.

Why would you think it didn't matter?  Because Akigagak claimed that SirBayer told him in private that the fluff roles "weren't important", whatever that meant?  (Akigagak only later claimed that scum have fluff roles like town.)
If so, this implies a lot of faith in Akigagak, and a complete disregard for Pandarsenic, Webadict, and the chance to get town some information.

I demand to know why you ignored the three of us and claimed, if it "didn't matter".
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Because. It. Bloody. Well. Doesn't.

Oh, and Akigagak, I guess this post proves that I'm not ignoring Errol.  You sling another handful of mud, and I demonstrate that it's cow excrement.

Nice fucking skim read.

You ignored most of what he said, including an example you asked for, then accuse him for the same thing you already do. Not to mention you missed the point of my post, it wasn't that you were ignoring Errol, it was that you're either mis-reading, or twisting, or not even bothering, to read the posts attacking you for longer than half a second per line, skimming through, missing points, examples, questions, then accusing people of not making points, examples, or questions.

[Rolan7]

Doo de doo, guess we're waiting for Inteuniso and Therion to be replaced.  Wonder what scared them off?

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pretty quiet around here.

[Akigagak]

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Seriously?
Sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'I can't here you, I can't here you' doesn't address anything.

You're so scummy it hurts.