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[Rolan7]

You think you can pull off painting me as *too passive*?

I initiated the day.
I voted therion, who I still suspect.
I FoS'd you so you'd post something.  What do you post?  An attack calling me too aggressive.  Now you're calling me too passive.
I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

I ought to vote you now, but first I want to know what ineuniso and Agigak think of you.  And Therion's replacement, however long that takes.

[Akigagak]

I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?

And you got the Mod, Sirbayer, confused with Org, a town IC.
Which makes me think that you aren't really paying attention anymore, as it seems that all your side had to do was get two townies, any two townies, into an argument. Which it seems you have ballsed up, explaining your new-found vigor.

My thoughts everyone but you and Inteuniso: They've been a lot less scummy over the course of the game then you two have.

[Rolan7]

I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?

Laughable.  I've explained this three times already.  Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:

"Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.

Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."

I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?

... Really?

Really?

I know. I face-palmed too.

This isn't your first game, right Aki?

Look, you screwed up.  This is *obvious*.  What I didn't know was whether you did it on purpose or by mistake.  Now I know: it was a mistake, based on information only available to you as scum.
What do I mean?  I mean you clearly *know* scum have "cover stories"/"fluff roles".  You didn't realize that we townies didn't know this, you assumed it was common knowledge, and you used that common knowledge to argue against my claim idea because you honestly thought you caught me being stupid.
Nice try, thanks for slipping up, let's see you weasel out of this.
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Vote Akigagak

And you got the Mod, Sirbayer, confused with Org, a town IC.
Which makes me think that you aren't really paying attention anymore, as it seems that all your side had to do was get two townies, any two townies, into an argument. Which it seems you have ballsed up, explaining your new-found vigor.

My thoughts everyone but you and Inteuniso: They've been a lot less scummy over the course of the game then you two have.

Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso?  I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting.  0.  None.  The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.

So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him?  I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy.  I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.

Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together.  If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.

[SirBayer]

If Inteuniso hasn't posted by morning HE'S OUT

[Akigagak]

I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?

Laughable.  I've explained this three times already.  Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:

"Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.

Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."

I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?

... Really?

Really?

I know. I face-palmed too.

This isn't your first game, right Aki?

Look, for crying out loud, I told you how I knew that everyone got them, but I can't prove it since I can't quote PM's. What's laughable is that you keep trying to defend your nonsense plan.

Look, you screwed up.  This is *obvious*.  What I didn't know was whether you did it on purpose or by mistake.  Now I know: it was a mistake, based on information only available to you as scum.
What do I mean?  I mean you clearly *know* scum have "cover stories"/"fluff roles".  You didn't realize that we townies didn't know this, you assumed it was common knowledge, and you used that common knowledge to argue against my claim idea because you honestly thought you caught me being stupid.
Nice try, thanks for slipping up, let's see you weasel out of this.
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Vote Akigagak

Do you know what, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly aren't listening. You're scum, or have got tunnel vision yet again, so there's no real point arguing with you. And if you are town, then you need to make less assumptions on who gets what in their PM's.

And you got the Mod, Sirbayer, confused with Org, a town IC.
Which makes me think that you aren't really paying attention anymore, as it seems that all your side had to do was get two townies, any two townies, into an argument. Which it seems you have ballsed up, explaining your new-found vigor.

My thoughts everyone but you and Inteuniso: They've been a lot less scummy over the course of the game then you two have.

Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso?  I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting.  0.  None.  The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.

So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him?  I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy.  I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.

Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together.  If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.

If you are town, and either of these people are scum, then you just gave team scum an extra vote. My case against Inteuiso is mostly his lurking combined with your constant buddying with him, telling him you'll give him your vote, no matter who he votes for. How the hell do you think that doesn't look dodgy?

[Rolan7]

I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?

Laughable.  I've explained this three times already.  Besides which, look at these responses to you confusion:

"Exactly," Pan-D4R chimes in. "So if duplicates appear...." The AI leaves the rest to you.

Pan-D4R sighs. "In case scum got a role that indicates their scuminess or no such flavor role. At worst you break even."

I think there was only one fluff-role each. But why would anybody lie about which one they got?

... Really?

Really?

I know. I face-palmed too.

This isn't your first game, right Aki?

Look, for crying out loud, I told you how I knew that everyone got them, but I can't prove it since I can't quote PM's. What's laughable is that you keep trying to defend your nonsense plan.

Is it laughable that Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, and Inteuniso all understood/supported my plan?  This is a waste of time.

As for the PM, I just don't believe you.  I checked my role PM and it mentions nothing about fluff roles for scum.  Other townies can verify that for themselves.  The simplest explanation is that you don't know what's in a townie PM.

We probably should stop talking about the PM's though, I think we may be breaking the spirit of the law.  Particularly you, with your "I have evidence but it's hidden in my PM I can't quote" defense.

Look, you screwed up.  This is *obvious*.  What I didn't know was whether you did it on purpose or by mistake.  Now I know: it was a mistake, based on information only available to you as scum.
What do I mean?  I mean you clearly *know* scum have "cover stories"/"fluff roles".  You didn't realize that we townies didn't know this, you assumed it was common knowledge, and you used that common knowledge to argue against my claim idea because you honestly thought you caught me being stupid.
Nice try, thanks for slipping up, let's see you weasel out of this.
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Vote Akigagak

Do you know what, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly aren't listening. You're scum, or have got tunnel vision yet again, so there's no real point arguing with you. And if you are town, then you need to make less assumptions on who gets what in their PM's.

I am listening.  You're not defending yourself.  If you're town then you need to finally start:
1) Finding flaws in my case against you.  Actual flaws, not "my secret PM proves you wrong" or "your plan everyone liked is dumb".
2) Scumhunt.  If you do right you can convince me there's a better candidate for my vote.

Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso?  I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting.  0.  None.  The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.

So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him?  I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy.  I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.

Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together.  If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.

If you are town, and either of these people are scum, then you just gave team scum an extra vote. My case against Inteuiso is mostly his lurking combined with your constant buddying with him, telling him you'll give him your vote, no matter who he votes for. How the hell do you think that doesn't look dodgy?

Eh?  Which either of which two people?  Extra vote?  I don't understand this, sorry.
My "constant buddying" started less than 24 hours ago, and really has nothing to do with Inteuniso.  I guess I mispoke.  Here it is, plain and simple, one LAST time, try to comprehend it this time PLEASE:

We need to vote together, if any town doesn't vote with the rest, scum wins.

That's all I was saying.  I tried to involve Inteuniso because you and Errol and Therion were stubbornly refusing to post, which I guess isn't suspicious at all right?  Noooo, let's attack a guy for pointing out the trap that would let scum win.

I'm done responding to your flack.  Please, if you're somehow town, take some time to make a real argument against someone.

[webadict]

You guys should look back at Day 1. There's a lot of evidence there. The biggest evidence you'll find is that the scum do not interact with each other, especially if Vector is their IC. He'd probably make sure that there was no contact at all.

If you want my guess, it's Akigigak and Therion (pretty sure it's him but...) / inteuniso. However, I'm also paying like half attention to the actual game, and I have no conclusive evidence, but look at Day one. Look who freaks out at random votes. Look who interacts with whom. It's annoying, but there's an abundance of information.

[Errol]

You think you can pull off painting me as *too passive*?

I initiated the day.
I voted therion, who I still suspect.
I FoS'd you so you'd post something.  What do you post?  An attack calling me too aggressive.  Now you're calling me too passive.
I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

I ought to vote you now, but first I want to know what ineuniso and Agigak think of you.  And Therion's replacement, however long that takes.

And yet - voting Therion equals voting a bag of sand. Probably even worse, because, as per your own damn logic, it gives scum an opening. Even dakarian called you out on it.

After that, you did positively nothing. Just relying on inteuniso. Buddying with another person who you know nothing of. That's stupid and scummy on several levels.

Also, for the love of any divine entities that may listen, you are mixing up the days. AGAIN. I called you out on your rampant aggressiveness on Day1 and Day2, and for your doing-positively-nothing you are pulling right now. If this is weird, it's because you switched between the extremes here, not me.

That's right, you are a little too scizophrene.

Is it laughable that Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, and Inteuniso all understood/supported my plan?  This is a waste of time.

The plan, or the idea? The idea is, based on our knowledge, a good idea. The plan is bullshit.

As for the PM, I just don't believe you.  I checked my role PM and it mentions nothing about fluff roles for scum.

That's just stupid. Why would the mod write something like that in there?

We probably should stop talking about the PM's though, I think we may be breaking the spirit of the law.  Particularly you, with your "I have evidence but it's hidden in my PM I can't quote" defense.

A breakable game would be the mod's fault.

Since when do you have a case against Inteuniso?  I took the liberty of searching the "print" page and found that you have done 0 scumhunting.  0.  None.  The closest thing was asking why I was quiet Day 2, which is funny since most of your points up to that point have been explaining away your own lurking.

So you have absolutely no case against Inteuniso, why FoS him?  I suspect you want to take pressure off Errol, your scumbuddy.  I could be wrong, but no big deal, we can just lynch you first.

Therion-replacement, Inteuniso, I suggest we lynch Akigagak first.
Remember that, as Errol has tried to hide, we need to vote together.  If any townie doesn't vote along with the rest of us, scum can force a no-lynch then win.

If you are town, and either of these people are scum, then you just gave team scum an extra vote. My case against Inteuiso is mostly his lurking combined with your constant buddying with him, telling him you'll give him your vote, no matter who he votes for. How the hell do you think that doesn't look dodgy?

Eh?  Which either of which two people?  Extra vote?  I don't understand this, sorry.
My "constant buddying" started less than 24 hours ago, and really has nothing to do with Inteuniso.  I guess I mispoke.  Here it is, plain and simple, one LAST time, try to comprehend it this time PLEASE:

We need to vote together, if any town doesn't vote with the rest, scum wins.

That's all I was saying.  I tried to involve Inteuniso because you and Errol and Therion were stubbornly refusing to post, which I guess isn't suspicious at all right?  Noooo, let's attack a guy for pointing out the trap that would let scum win.[/quote]

There's a difference between 'involving' and 'buddying', and involving someone usually involves accusing him, or asking him what his opinion is. Not saying "Oh I'll vote whoever you vote for". That's just bullcrap, and an attempt to sway someone to your side, scum.

I'm done responding to your flack.  Please, if you're somehow town, take some time to make a real argument against someone.

Oh, sure, let's have his valid arguments vanish under the table. No problem at all.

Have someone point out the main flaw of your plan? Accuse him of being scum. Disproportionate retribution.

I rather doubt SirBayer would be stupid enough to create a breakable setup. For all we know Dak could have helped him with the setup too. And, in that case, we'd better kiss our loopholes goodbye.

Tl;dr: You are scum with selective perception, and you should better prepare your last will soon.

[Rolan7]

Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.

I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't.  Are you?

[Akigagak]

Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.

No, I'm not. I asked Sirbayer if the fluff role was important. He said that it wasn't, and that everyone got one.

[/quote]
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.

I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't.  Are you?
[/quote]
You would've had that proof if you had asked Sirbayer about it.

But, as you like to point out, I can't prove it.

[webadict]

Hey, SirBayer, do you think that I'd be abe to replace Therion, or perhaps inteuniso, so that the game can keep moving?

[Errol]

Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.

I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't.  Are you?

I don't quite see how you are twisting up the fact number 1. All I can see is Akigagak suggesting that scum might have fluff roles too. While that might indicate he knows something, it is possible just as well that a) Akigagak made a wild guess or b) what he just said. He asked Bayer. I'm not sure whether something like this is actually posted in here, tho.

[Rolan7]

Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.

No, I'm not. I asked Sirbayer if the fluff role was important. He said that it wasn't, and that everyone got one.

3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.

I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't.  Are you?

You would've had that proof if you had asked Sirbayer about it.

But, as you like to point out, I can't prove it.

Ah, so it was a separate PM clarifying asking for rules clarification.  Thanks for clearing that up, why didn't you say so sooner?  Except:

1) SirBayer would probably say fluff roles are "unimportant" because they have no special powers.  That they're unique goes without saying.

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

3) Fine, I'll ask for rules clarification.  SirBayer, please tell us if fluff roles are important.

[Akigagak]

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

[Rolan7]

Errol please consider my argument against Akigagak, if you're town:
1) Akigagak is claiming to have a townie role PM that somehow proves scum have fluff roles
2) I know my townie role PM doesn't do anything of the sort, so he's lying.
3) If you're town and don't have this mysterious proof Akigagak claims to have, you know he's lying too.

I'm not willing to consider that some townies were given this proof and others weren't.  Are you?

I don't quite see how you are twisting up the fact number 1. All I can see is Akigagak suggesting that scum might have fluff roles too. While that might indicate he knows something, it is possible just as well that a) Akigagak made a wild guess or b) what he just said. He asked Bayer. I'm not sure whether something like this is actually posted in here, tho.

I don't care if scum *might* have fluff roles.  He was saying my plan *couldn't* work, because scum *might* have fluff roles.  Sounds crazy right?  Here's the quote:

I hatched a plan with a chance, however remote, of helping this terrible situation.
You and Agigak sabotaged it, though you waited until Agigak went first.

Explain how it had a chance. It relied on your guess that only we got fluff-roles, did you even consider that scum might have got them as well?

I didn't consider the long-shot that scum would be given cover stories, because when you're making a desperate plan to salvage a situation, and no one's presenting a better one, you don't *assume* things that'll make things hopeless are true.  Besides, mafia doesn't usually work like that.  The mod says "You're a serial killer", he doesn't say "I suggest you pretend to be doctor if they mass-claim".

I see Akigagak has FINALLY quoted his post where he originally claimed to get special secret info from SirBayer.  Yes, I missed it.  Yes, he should have pointed it out sooner.

2) You still ignored Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Ignoring our attempts to explain things, you threw out your role.  Anyway you cut it that's anti-team.  You should have tried to explain things THEN instead of waiting till NOW, several days later.

Second,  but what's your point?

THE FLAVOR-ROLES DO NOTHING. I asked him about this at the start of day one, but I'm not allowed to quote PMs.

So freakin whoops, sorry, thanks for finally defending yourself.
Except... wait... you quoted the wrong thing from me.  Your quote doesn't defend against anything I said in that quote.  Even assuming you have that special information, you should have explained that to the long list of people Pandarsenic, Org, Webadict, Inteuniso, and me.  Instead you claimed.  Your claim was still anti-town.

Here's what you should have quoted:

*sigh*
I completely lost my cool and wrote some harsh words just now.  I thought better of posting them.

Akigagak, come on, we explained in detail how claiming the roles *all together* could help identify scum.  So you claimed all by yourself.  Ignoring me, webadict, org, and inteuniso, you claimed.

I'll explain this carefully in case you're really just ignorant and not scum (which is OK, really, but you shouldn't have claimed if you didn't understand what was happening):
1) Org gave townies roles
2) Mafia don't know those roles
3) If we mass claim, each mafia needs to guess a role to claim and hope none of the townies have it.
4) If two people claim similar roles, we know one of them is scum.  This is good for town.
5) If someone claimed to be something that didn't really fit with the other roles, like Betazoid or something, that would also be a clue.

This is all a long-shot, since this game has literally gone as poorly for us as possible.  But it's still a chance to learn something.  Your claim has damaged even this slim chance.  Understand now?

You should have said, "No, see, #1 is wrong.  SirBayer told me in private that fluff roles are unimportant when I asked him.  I assume this means that fluff roles aren't unique or that scum have them too.  Also you're dumb for confusing Org with SirBayer, dummy".

Instead you sabotaged my plan, then more importantly you wasted everyone's time with pointless back and forth.  Including using my mistaking Org and SirBayer as a SCUMTELL, wtf?  Can you really blame me for that?

It'd be super swell if anyone other than me, Errol and Akigagak would post something.