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[Org]

I corrected dorf's quotes when I quoted it below.  No need for him to repost the same thing reformatted (:  I've added responses, of course.

I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.

You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.

I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:

A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.

^{(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)}

Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie.  Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia.  Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum.  That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.
Perhaps the town IC has advice on this?

So anyway, here are some of the twists of the meanings, I was talking about:

Town is so fucked. ^

Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie.  I finger of suspicion you to get things going.

He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.

I confess, I haven't thought much of it at the beginning, and I would have probably used that argument myself.

He referred to "Town" in the same way I might refer to mafia.  "Town is so fucked" instead of "We are so fucked".  An extremely weak bit of evidence, suitable only for the RVS.  To your credit, dorf, you say you might have used my argument yourself.  So I'm surprised you even quoted this at me at all.

And, I suppose, the next quote could also be justified.

Town is so fucked. ^

Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?

Vote Halmie.  Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?

So let's move on.

Moving on is great.  I'm not sure why we went over those quotes at all.  I asked rather silly questions in the RVS to apply pressure.

I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.

Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

How does it feel, Rolan7?

You sound terrified of a lynching, scum.  Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote.  My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.

See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.

Accusing people of being mafia, without being certain, is part of applying pressure.
You provided the evidence (and I pointed it out) when you reacted to my semi-random vote, with a completely unsupported OhMyGodUSuck vote.
Note that your vote was completely unsupported ("How does it feel Rolan7"), while I stated my purpose: to encourage you to make your first post.  Almost everyone else had posted by then.

Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?

Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me.  So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.

I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?

Yeah. I mean, really.

You're demanding me to respond to ExKirby again?  At that stage, if I had followed your lead, I would have posted "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".
No, seriously, that's literally what you did to me (minus the PS u suck).  No twisting of words here, people, just look up a few lines at the quote.

Anyway, my explanation is that I'm not up-to-date on forum etiquette.  Since that post, I've tried to include plenty of quotes to make my posts unambiguous.

If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead.  So I'm going to defend myself.

You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.

What you say is true, and my words you quoted are true.  I don't see an issue.
I was getting a little frustrated, I think because other people were accusing me of lurking of all things.  Accusations I ironically answered quickly.

Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.

I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims.  I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting.  I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.

Your evidence was nonexistent.

You'll have to point out which of my claims lacked evidence.

Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk?  I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town.  So why are you trying this?

The definition of 'eager' is

IN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.

And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.

1) I still think it's obvious that calling a newbie overeager will encourage him/her/it to lurk.
2) Lurking townies are bad for town.
3) So calling newbies overeager is bad for town.
Which statement(s) do you disagree with?

Particularly in that early stage, players didn't need to provide hardly any support for their claims.  There's so little to go on!  There is only evidence now because scumhunters like me have forced people to respond.

You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote.  Just like when you first made it.  And it is not a random vote, as you claim,

"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.

What a coincidence.  You cut the justification out of my quote.  Here, I'll fix that:

And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you.

Did you vote me randomly from any list of players?  No, you voted me because I voted you.

Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness.  Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.

First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?

I assumed you were mad, because you OMGUS voted me, with no justification, in the form of a snarky comment.  Maybe "vengeful" or "petty" would have been a better term on my part?

Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you?  So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.

No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.

My one silly argument so far is in this post, where I mock you by asking if I should have said "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".  I considered removing it, but I believe it illustrates the hypocrisy of your demand that I answer ExKirby better. 
Besides which, you mock-quoted me first: "ooh, I better find some more things to say".  Hm, yet again you want people to stop saying things... wouldn't it be great for the mafia if all us newbie townies just lurked?
As for claiming I have no substantial evidence, again, you'll have to point out specific cases or you're just blowing smoke.

I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.

A nice conclusion, yet it falls flat.  You have failed to point out even one case of me "twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing" after I random voted you.  You still haven't explained or even denied your own dishonesty.

How's this for a conclusion:
I demonstrated your dishonesty and anti-town behavior, you failed to invalidate my arguments (mostly by ignoring them), therefore you're scum.

Technical note: I included dorf's entire (repaired) post.  I remembered that the moderator wants bold text reserved for catching his attention, so I tried various colors... nothing worked besides blue and red.  Either invisible or basically black.  So, uh, I used the Impact font.  Hope that's alright (:  Also note that I would like some strategy advice on townie lying, I noted that part with Impact also.

Final comment for tonight:
We now have 12 hours left!  10:00 for you Pacificans, 13:00 for those of us on the east coast.  Don't delay, act now, supplies are running out!  Everyone needs to review their votes tomorrow.  If you truly believe a better case has been mounted than my case against dorf, by all means, cast your vote.  I will be checking for such a case an hour before the deadline.  Whoever you vote for though, it is your duty as a crewmember to vote!  If you vote nolynch, you're just letting the spies kill us in our sleep.  There is risk, but the alternative is a sure death.

That's not bold, it's 12-pt Comic Sans MS.  So there.

I dont think that lying is always bad in certain situations, however I am not sure when is good.

[Vector]

GOOD GOD SPOILER THAT MONSTROSITY.

Come on, dudes.  For the love of all that is good and holy, learn to post-format.

[webadict]

There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.

[Org]

There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.

Yeah, but sometimes its good in other mafias. Not in this one.

[webadict]

There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.

Yeah, but sometimes its good in other mafias. Not in this one.

So, let's leave those mafia alone for now.

[Org]

There is no reason to lie in this particular mafia about most things. Perhaps if you are looking for a particular scumtell. Anyhow, do not lie as town.

Yeah, but sometimes its good in other mafias. Not in this one.

So, let's leave those mafia alone for now.

Quite so.

[Halmie]

Halmie, your suspicion list lists persons at position 2, 6 and 9 for the same explanation. Could you please be a little less brief? There's got to be a reason why the people got listed at wildly different positions for the same reason. At the moment, you are not transparent enough.

So Halmie, why is that he got top spot on your list, while other people who've posted already only got a no good read description?

That list wasn't in any order. I copy, pasted it from the first page. The main reason is that I'm scared of people being allowed to lie in the shadows, we are trying to come to decisicions and we need him to do it.
The people who have already posted are just hard to understand like you think of me Errol. He seems to be doing an attempt at scumhunting now, so my vote is off. Unvote, this hardly means anything though so don't take it as granted.

Akigagak, why no one put pressure on you is becuase you posted a reason before you disappeared. But now we(I) expect you to be active.

And also it might be better to either post early in the morning or late in the evening if you want a quick response from me.

Therion, why did you remove your vote when (everyone thought) dorf told you it was a bad idea? Afraid of a vote?

[Akigagak]

Thanks for your answer, Errol. I was just suspicious as to why you voted me.

Unvote

It also seems the only one to have not voted.

Yes, you have, Akigagak. And no one has seemed to have put a lot of pressure on you to explain why you STILL have not.


Also, it seems that not only have you not voted, you haven't even really scumhunted.

Explain yourself.

If you read my posts, you'd have reasons.

First, I had a hand in for college that needed to be done, when I posted about that it was a ridiculous time in the morning, and I was working on the assignment at the same time.

Second. Timezone. I'm GMT-0 and it's 3:45am right now, and like I've said, I have college. The all nighter I pulled finishing my work meant I was shattered when I got home at 6pm that night, so I had some food and to sleep instead of catching up on this. I'd been awake for nearly 28 hours, so I think sleep is a good enough reason not to post.

[ExKirby]

...Maybe you should ask for a replacement?

[dakarian]

A one time situation does NOT call for a replacement so long as he's willing to keep playing and that other stuff won't keep coming up.

[dorf]

I have a question. Can RL excuses be scumtells? Especially the long, elaborated ones?

[webadict]

I have a question. Can RL excuses be scumtells? Especially the long, elaborated ones?

Um... sometimes. Usually when someone says that they'll post later and then never do. But, that's about it.

[SirBayer]

Actually due to classes you guys get 'till 3 PM PST. Have fun with that.

[dakarian]

I never like reading too much into RL reasons for things.  You never really know the other person's situation and it just plain old sucks to be lynched because everyone didn't believe you actually had a job. 

I don't mark such things as a scumtell unless the person is a known liar (which seems wrong to me as well, to lie about real RL situations).  At worst, I'll mark it a Null Tell and just focus on judging the person on the in game content that is provided.

Sidenote: I HAVE seen scum use someone's RL situation as a method to attack them.  Worked well enough for the scum's goal of messing with the town.  In some respects, then, RL matters may have too much Wine for a town to really focus on it.

[GlyphGryph]

Can we have a count? I'd like to avoid a no lynch and I want to be sure.