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[GlyphGryph]

@GlyphGryph:
Rolan7 voted on you, and he wasn't showered with questions and suspicions.
And if you're not scared of votes, why didn't you stay "ignored" my vote, as you claimed you could?
Perhaps you're trying to pose as a concerned townie, scum.

It was Errol that voted me, and I didn't shower him with questions and suspicions because he actually asked me questions and tried to scum hunt (a bit). But it doesn't matter, anyways. You're the one spewing scumtells, not him. It doesn't mean he's in the clear, of course. But the fact that you're trying to divert onto someone else without even bothering to look it up and confirm reeks of scum.

Plus, if you thought Rolan was voting on me, that means you WERE lying when you said you only voted me because I had no votes. So which is?

And I didn't ignore you because I'm scumhunting. That's why. And you're vote on me was scum-shaped. Why would I ignore a scumtell? Do YOU think I should have ignored you?

Answer me this, if nothing else:
What sort of response were you actually EXPECTING from a vote with no reasoning or question?

[Rolan7]

(also from my phone)
Wow, dorf, I mostly agree with your most recent post.  You give town a lot of good advice.  However, you haven't responded to my arguments against you yet. 
 I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.  A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.  Since you seem to be an experienced player, I remain convinced that you are mafia.
Your sudden burst of good advice for town is a distraction.  You are mafia.  I hope you continue to ignore me, or resume attacking me with easily exposed lies.

[dorf]

I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.

You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.

I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:

A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act. 

^{(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)}

So anyway, here are some of the twists of the meanings, I was talking about:

Town is so fucked. ^

Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie.  I finger of suspicion you to get things going.

He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.

I confess, I haven't thought much of it at the beginning, and I would have probably used that argument myself.
And, I suppose, the next quote could also be justified.

Town is so fucked. ^

Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?

Vote Halmie.  Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?

So let's move on.

I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.

Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

How does it feel, Rolan7?

You sound terrified of a lynching, scum.  Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote.  My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.

See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.

Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?

Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me.  So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.

I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?

Yeah. I mean, really.

If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead.  So I'm going to defend myself.

You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.

Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.

I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims.  I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting.  I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.

Your evidence was nonexistent.

Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk?  I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town.  So why are you trying this?

The definition of 'eager' is

IN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.
And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.

You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote.  Just like when you first made it.  And it is not a random vote, as you claim,

"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.

Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness.  Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.

First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?

Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you?  So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.

No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.


I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.

[Vector]

You might what to fix those quotetags there, doodabuddy.

...

Not by editing.

[dorf]

Meh, forgot to preview.

Nah, I'm sure people will figure out what's what.

[Vector]

   Whatever you say.

[Rolan7]

I corrected dorf's quotes when I quoted it below.  No need for him to repost the same thing reformatted (:  I've added responses, of course.

I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.

You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.

I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:

A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.

^{(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)}

Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie.  Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia.  Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum.  That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.
Perhaps the town IC has advice on this?

So anyway, here are some of the twists of the meanings, I was talking about:

Town is so fucked. ^

Odd that you refer to "Town" as if you aren't part of the crew, Halmie.  I finger of suspicion you to get things going.

He didn't say that. He said town is fucked because of Org's randomness, hence the ^ character.

I confess, I haven't thought much of it at the beginning, and I would have probably used that argument myself.

He referred to "Town" in the same way I might refer to mafia.  "Town is so fucked" instead of "We are so fucked".  An extremely weak bit of evidence, suitable only for the RVS.  To your credit, dorf, you say you might have used my argument yourself.  So I'm surprised you even quoted this at me at all.

And, I suppose, the next quote could also be justified.

Town is so fucked. ^

Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?

Vote Halmie.  Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?

So let's move on.

Moving on is great.  I'm not sure why we went over those quotes at all.  I asked rather silly questions in the RVS to apply pressure.

I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.

Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

How does it feel, Rolan7?

You sound terrified of a lynching, scum.  Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote.  My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.

See, the answer says you have identified me as mafia, but you provided no evidence to suggest that.

Accusing people of being mafia, without being certain, is part of applying pressure.
You provided the evidence (and I pointed it out) when you reacted to my semi-random vote, with a completely unsupported OhMyGodUSuck vote.
Note that your vote was completely unsupported ("How does it feel Rolan7"), while I stated my purpose: to encourage you to make your first post.  Almost everyone else had posted by then.

Don't you know it's polite to actually adress ALL the people involved?

Without quoting me or mentioning my name, I almost didn't realize you were addressing this to me.  So, I see your point about addressing people clearly, and I think we should both try to do so.

I think it's fairly obvious when I post directly after you. You were at least five posts off. Care to explain?

Yeah. I mean, really.

You're demanding me to respond to ExKirby again?  At that stage, if I had followed your lead, I would have posted "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".
No, seriously, that's literally what you did to me (minus the PS u suck).  No twisting of words here, people, just look up a few lines at the quote.

Anyway, my explanation is that I'm not up-to-date on forum etiquette.  Since that post, I've tried to include plenty of quotes to make my posts unambiguous.

If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead.  So I'm going to defend myself.

You only had two votes and the Day had only begun. And seeing how SirBayer admitted to have miscounted the votes, you could have been tied.

What you say is true, and my words you quoted are true.  I don't see an issue.
I was getting a little frustrated, I think because other people were accusing me of lurking of all things.  Accusations I ironically answered quickly.

Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.

I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims.  I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting.  I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.

Your evidence was nonexistent.

You'll have to point out which of my claims lacked evidence.

Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk?  I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town.  So why are you trying this?

The definition of 'eager' is

IN BRIEF: Wanting very much to do something; having or showing an impatient or enthusiastic desire.

And 'overeager' means to be excessively eager.
I only pointed out a fact. I don't know where you got the lurking part from.

1) I still think it's obvious that calling a newbie overeager will encourage him/her/it to lurk.
2) Lurking townies are bad for town.
3) So calling newbies overeager is bad for town.
Which statement(s) do you disagree with?

Particularly in that early stage, players didn't need to provide hardly any support for their claims.  There's so little to go on!  There is only evidence now because scumhunters like me have forced people to respond.

You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote.  Just like when you first made it.  And it is not a random vote, as you claim,

"How does it feel, <nickname>?"
I see. Not characteristic of a RVS at all.

What a coincidence.  You cut the justification out of my quote.  Here, I'll fix that:

And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you.

Did you vote me randomly from any list of players?  No, you voted me because I voted you.

Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness.  Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.

First off, I elaborated IN THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH. Secondly, where do you see this mad dorf?

I assumed you were mad, because you OMGUS voted me, with no justification, in the form of a snarky comment.  Maybe "vengeful" or "petty" would have been a better term on my part?

Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you?  So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.

No, I said that you have no substantial evidence and the arguments that you're trying to use are silly.

My one silly argument so far is in this post, where I mock you by asking if I should have said "How does it feel ExKirby (vote) (PS u suck!)".  I considered removing it, but I believe it illustrates the hypocrisy of your demand that I answer ExKirby better. 
Besides which, you mock-quoted me first: "ooh, I better find some more things to say".  Hm, yet again you want people to stop saying things... wouldn't it be great for the mafia if all us newbie townies just lurked?
As for claiming I have no substantial evidence, again, you'll have to point out specific cases or you're just blowing smoke.

I really didn't believe I'd find so many of these quotes of you twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing.
I'm not sure what your deal is. Sometimes you DO understand what is happening. Sometimes you interpret those things the way you want to. And most of the time you don't even listen (or don't care?) to explanations just to get your twisted point across.
Try not to look for alternative meanings. Often, there aren't any.

A nice conclusion, yet it falls flat.  You have failed to point out even one case of me "twisting and conjuring accusations from nothing" after I random voted you.  You still haven't explained or even denied your own dishonesty.

How's this for a conclusion:
I demonstrated your dishonesty and anti-town behavior, you failed to invalidate my arguments (mostly by ignoring them), therefore you're scum.

Technical note: I included dorf's entire (repaired) post.  I remembered that the moderator wants bold text reserved for catching his attention, so I tried various colors... nothing worked besides blue and red.  Either invisible or basically black.  So, uh, I used the Impact font.  Hope that's alright (:  Also note that I would like some strategy advice on townie lying, I noted that part with Impact also.

Final comment for tonight:
We now have 12 hours left!  10:00 for you Pacificans, 13:00 for those of us on the east coast.  Don't delay, act now, supplies are running out!  Everyone needs to review their votes tomorrow.  If you truly believe a better case has been mounted than my case against dorf, by all means, cast your vote.  I will be checking for such a case an hour before the deadline.  Whoever you vote for though, it is your duty as a crewmember to vote!  If you vote nolynch, you're just letting the spies kill us in our sleep.  There is risk, but the alternative is a sure death.

That's not bold, it's 12-pt Comic Sans MS.  So there.

[webadict]

I corrected dorf's quotes when I quoted it below.  No need for him to repost the same thing reformatted (:  I've added responses, of course.

I feel I have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.

You certainly took dakarian's post seriously, which is good and useful for us, because you are scumhunting or at least trying to get some action going.

I will now demonstrate your technique of scumhunting (I guess?).
You twist the meaning of a sentence to suit your needs. Which is, again, good for getting other people's reactions.
Though, you went so far as to twist the meaning and then rely on that falsity you created to convict me. And that, as you've mentioned, is:

A liar is either a stupid townie or mafia caught in the act.

^{(I suppose, lying or exaggerating could be a scumhunting technique, so I don't think the townie that uses it properly is stupid)}

Maybe this is a matter of opinion, and I am just a newbie, but I think townies should never lie.  Exaggerate, sure, but leave lying to the mafia.  Scum *have* to lie, so if the townies agree not to lie, any exposed lie exposes a scum.  That's why I considered a townie who lies to be stupid, and a detriment to their town side.
Perhaps the town IC has advice on this?

It is assumed that the town never has a reason to lie. I'm sure there's some times where it is acceptable, but these are few, and this game is not one of them. Anyhow, lying is a very bad thing to do as town, and it is very scummy.

[ExKirby]

Extension, please.

...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me. I would vote you and add a wall of text if it weren't for the fact that I have to go to school now.

[Halmie]

Extension Please. People you need to get it out of your head that one of these two must be scum. Stop treating this text battle with "rolans side" and "dorfs side". This will make it very easy for scum to take us down, one by one.

My scum list.
1. inteuniso: My most scummy so far.
2. GlyphGryph: Not much read so far.
3. dorf: dorf confuses me, definatly leaning ont he town side though.
4. Akigagak: Not sure, hopefully he will come back before the end of day 1.
5. Halmie: ...
6. Errol: Not much of a read yet.
7. Therion: Ever-so slightly scummy, nothing to worry about so far.
8. Rolan7: Town read so far.
9.  ExKirby: Not much of a read yet.

Since there hasn't been much activity there are gaping holes in my list for scum to hide in.

[dorf]

Extension, please.

...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me. I would vote you and add a wall of text if it weren't for the fact that I have to go to school now.

You haven't really done much, though. And I'm not sure, how you can find a slip without attacking some first.

Well yeah, Rolan7 cleared for me too. That's why I over to the next target.

No problem, Extension, you should have enough time to post your wall of text.

[Rolan7]

Extension please
*Yaaaawn*, good RL morning all.

[Halmie]

Ok, then dorf, I'll do an attempt at a wall of text with what I've got on my main suspect.

Well then, Errol, been spying lately?

A random vote. Nothing to scummy or townie.

Going for generic lurker-pushing. inteuniso, who do you think is more credible here?

Unvote

I think dorf is more credible. While he does seem to be quite reactive, he is scumhunting and helping out the town. Rolan7 is lurking and not answering any questions. While I don't want to bandwagon, he is being extremely scummy.

You claimed he was lurking when he wasn't, and then said he wasn't answering questions. I retaliated. I wasnt trying to defend rolan but attack intuenso for that.

OK then, I vote Rolan7.

He has lurked, and he has only retaliated, besides rv'ing Glyphgryph.

Again, you vote him for 'lurking' and random voting GG is scummy? hmmm....

Unvote.


Alright Rolan7. You have been scumhunting and not lurking.

However, Errol, you seem to have voted for me for no reason. Would you care to explain why?

Fair enough, I'm not satisfied with that post alone however. Nothing to scummy or townie with that post.

So that concludes my 'wall of text' against inteuniso.

[webadict]

If that's your scummiest so far, what do people have to do to look town?

[Halmie]

Post?

Basicly he has voted 3 times. One was a random vote, the next was on someone who was 'lurking' and the last was a (justified?) OMGUS. Basicly he needs the sme thing as I usually do. Some pressure to make him do something.