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[Therion]

Why not?
Also, unvote.

[Halmie]

Woah! unvote Sending up a red flag there dorf.

I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.

What's this? You replied you want a scum role? Does that mean you are already scum?

How does it feel, Rolan7?

This is called an OMGUS. webadict will explain it better. But you will raise suspicion with revenge votes.

It doesn't mean you can't vote him but you will be (should) be hammered for it. This is the main reason my vote is on you.

FAKEEDIT: ninja'd Why's you unvote Therion? The unsure voting looks a little scummy.

[GlyphGryph]

Because editing is against the rules and has a chance of getting you mod-killed, I'd imagine.

Anyways, I had no idea I was in this game! Damn is this a bad week to start two games of mafia... so don't go expecting much activity from me until the weekend. Unless my situation changes, I've only got internet access at work (when I shouldnt be posting anyways). For example, I shouldn't be posting now.
So most of my posts will probably be around 5-6pm EST, since I can stay after work for a while, though you'll occasionally get short posts like this whenever the boss isn't looking.

Errol: You know nothing, cad! Also, totally Vector. He was my scum IC in the last game, he really seems to know what he's doing.

ExKirby, why did you attack someone for "overpanicking"? I mean, sure, gong crazy isn't going to help, but he was applying pressure which is a perfectly valid strategy for trying to break someone during RVS and make them slip. Barring that, acting like he was HE would probably slip if he was scum. Perhaps you're scum, and you've got a vested interest in making sure people don't push so hard?

[Akigagak]

Fair enough, now get to active scumhunting! Your posts containing little scum hunting is raising suspicouns more than your vote.

Unvote, I'll be watching you dorf... And I expect an answer to the earlier question.

Agikak a no-post post scum?
Who would you least like to be scum?

Please, try to make more sense.

And do his votes count if he spells my name completely incorrectly?

[dorf]

Therion:
1)

Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)

2)
It may seem like you're hiding something. This is not very pro-town behaviour, methinks.

Halmie:
This is also called a RVS.

[Halmie]

Please, try to make more sense.

And do his votes count if he spells my name completely incorrectly?

1. Sorry if it didn't make sense but your first post didn't contain much content at all.

2. I'm pretty sure as long as SirBayer knows what I mean.

[Akigagak]

@ 1: Uh, neither did yours.

As you didn't explain what 'no-post post scum' means, I'll answer your other question. Whoever has the most experience is the person I least want to be scum, as in-experienced scum screw up and give themselves away.

[GlyphGryph]

Also, Exkirby, where is this hyper-aggression you promises in the setup thread for day 1 pressure? Instead you just attack Rolan for diving in?

[Halmie]

Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?

My post attacked and was meant to start conversation.

I meant a no-post post as in a post that doesn't do much.

Therion:
1)

Do NOT quote my PM text and do NOT edit your posts (you can double post if you need to)

2)
It may seem like you're hiding something. This is not very pro-town behaviour, methinks.

Halmie:
This is also called a RVS.

That name is not true. Random votes should stop by the time half the people have posted atleast one.

You should vote people who look scummy and not becuase they voted you. If you were a comfirmed cop that would be the time an OMGUS would be fine. Hopefully someone will come in and explain the details.

[Therion]

Oops. Sorry about the edit. Wont forget that.
And I unvoted because I prefer to stand aside.

[Halmie]

Oops. Sorry about the edit. Wont forget that.
And I unvoted because I prefer to stand aside.

So do scum. As a townie you really shouldn't be standing aside. If you stand aside that lets the scum stand aside. And if the scum can stand aside without suspicion how the hell are we going to cathc them?

[Akigagak]

Halmie:
This is also called a RVS.

That name is not true. Random votes should stop by the time half the people have posted atleast one.

You should vote people who look scummy and not becuase they voted you. If you were a comfirmed cop that would be the time an OMGUS would be fine. Hopefully someone will come in and explain the details.

...no, at least half of day 1 is random votes. At least half. Then arguments break out and we get two or three people having a massive fight, with one of them being killed. That's generally as sane as day 1 gets.
If that person was scum, then their opponents got lucky, and the mafia screwed up by getting in the argument in the first place.

[dakarian]

A few pokes:

1. NEVER edit your posts, even to fix a mistake.  Doubleposting, meh even posting four times in a row is perfectly acceptable here, so feel free to repost.  However, do NOT edit.

2. RVS doesn't end when people have posted.  RVS ends once actual accusations begin.  It CAN last the entire day, though it shouldn't.  I've seen it last about 1 page at times.  The sooner you can get to real accusations, the better. 

3. Don't stand aside.  That's passiveness: a scumtell.  The only way for you to win in this game is to attack.  Thus be aggressive and attack.  Get rid of ANY thought in your head about fearing death.  Remember that if the mafia wins, they'll kill you anyway, so your only hope for survival is to get someone lynched. 

But what if you don't know what to do to attack? wellll...

[dakarian]

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

[ExKirby]

Also, Exkirby, where is this hyper-aggression you promises in the setup thread for day 1 pressure? Instead you just attack Rolan for diving in?

What, just because I'm offline it doesn't mean that I won't be aggressive?

Rolan, you still haven't addressed my question. What are you, chicken?