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[ExKirby]

Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.

[SirBayer]

ExKirby promptly explodes.

[Therion]

GlyphGryph:
Current votecount shows no votes towards you, apart from mine. Also, why did you dont turn back at Rolan7 like this? Scumbuddies forever?
I've played few games, and this is my first time on a forum game. Dont know the maf/town proportion.
My edited post contained a vote and a edit. I was warned I should'nt do something: I assumed I should'nt vote, and only later were I told he was actually talking about the edit. That explains the vote-unvote.
What about you? Why so scared of a vote? Been doing some spying, I guess?

[GlyphGryph]

I'm not scared of a vote, just suspicious of the fact that you voted me with no reasons, no suspicions, and no questions. It reeks of a "I'm participating!" vote without actually doing anything in the way of scumhunting. Also, you claimed no one voted me when they did.

What would you have done if I had just ignored it? Because that would have been an easy (and safe) response!

So whats this about the not turning back to Rolan7 thing? Was I ever ON Rolan? I don't even know what you mean there.

[Rolan7]

Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.

You really shouldn't do that :s

Are you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you?  I think you're sending both messages here.

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Therion knew (and I bet that everybody else did too) what I was saying. How come you didn't?

My edited post contained a vote and a edit. I was warned I should'nt do something: I assumed I should'nt vote, and only later were I told he was actually talking about the edit.

Yet more proof that dorf is being dishonest for some reason.  Unless, haha, dorf can show evidence that Therion claimed to understand him (dorf), and now is lying about it?

Come on people, dorf is scum!  What more will it take to convince you?

[webadict]

Try laying it all out in one convenient post. It'll help others, and it won't be a singe jab at a time. Single jabs are scummy.

[Org]

Maybe you should not sign up if you know you have too much to do.

[inteuniso]

Unvote.


Alright Rolan7. You have been scumhunting and not lurking.

However, Errol, you seem to have voted for me for no reason. Would you care to explain why?

[ExKirby]

My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.

[Rolan7]

Try laying it all out in one convenient post. It'll help others, and it won't be a singe jab at a time. Single jabs are scummy.

Fair enough, but I did try that first.
I posted this 20 hours ago, and dorf has not posted since.  I believe it proves he's scum.  I welcome any criticism of my arguments:

If a townie is to be lynched on the first day, it might as well be me, but I'd much rather we lynch a mafia member instead.  So I'm going to defend myself.  I'll start with dorf, the guy who instantly responded to my random vote with a OMGUS vote and a vendetta.

Seems to me we have a lot of overeager newbies here. Which is nice and dandy, if you would have something concrete to back up your claims. Instead, you're overreacting to RVS posts and are exposing yourselves for lynching.
Now, if what you are doing is a newbtell, you should be fine, as soon as you become rational.
But so far, I must admit, your behavior is quite anti-town.

I am a newbie, but I have quoted evidence to support every single one of my claims.  I am not an "overeager newbie" for pressuring people on day one, or for random voting.  I unvoted my random vote as soon as I had a lead.

Isn't it obvious that by calling us newbies overeager, you're encouraging us to lurk?  I'm *sure* you know that lurking is anti-town.  So why are you trying this?

You say we should provide "something concrete to back up your claims"?  Then I demand, again, that you explain your OMGUS vote against me:

*snickers*

I would want to be a Godfather. Seems I could do a lot of damage as Mafia, if I wouldn't get myself lynched, of course.

Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

How does it feel, Rolan7?

You quote this OMGUS below, yet you provide absolutely no justification of your vote.  Just like when you first made it.  And it is not a random vote, as you claim, because you do it in direct response to me random voting you.  Can you explain these, well, lies?

Let me explain.
Pro-town wants to lynch scum. Anti-town don't care who gets lynched, just that it's not them.
What you are doing is throwing accusations all over the place, without backing them up. I see many of you are changing votes rapidly, which doesn't help with your credibility, either.
What you should do is concentrate on scumtells and elaborate on them. What you are doing now will only benefit Mafia.
Of course, if you are anti-town, then keep up the good work! You're preparing a nice situation that could lead to a mislynch.

Halmie and Rolan7 are both very excited to be playing. But I think Halmie is just trying to scumhunt and get some conversation going.
Rolan7 is being weirder, though.

Feel free to elaborate on my "weird"ness.  Until then, you're just mad that I randomly voted you.

If you think what Halmie is doing is scummy:

Hey, dorf what role would you most like to be in this game?

Vote Halmie.  Are you trying to get dorf to claim a role, or am I missing something?

Why do you suddenly side with him?

It was a random vote, and right after you ask this question, you answer it by quoting my justification for changing my vote:

No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.

Fair enough.  This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

Then:

This isn't "adding pressure", this is bandwagoning without a valid reason.

I give a valid reason.  At the time, you had not posted.  All I meant to do was encourage you to post, yet you responded by voting me and mounting this assault of untruths at me.

How does it feel, Rolan7?

You sound terrified of a lynching, scum.  Townies take it for the team, and certainly shouldn't fear a single random vote.  My vote stands.
To answer your question, it feels great to have identified a mafia.  Possibly a Godfather trying for WIFOM!

Here he overreacts over my first post in this game. He is SURE that I am scum from my RVS vote.
He is LITERALLY saying that I am Mafia, and not only that! He's even quoted my initial 5 words to present that as proof of my scumdom.

I'm being agressive because of Dakarian's post, directly before I posted, which encouraged us to be rediculously aggressive.  Yet you choose to attack me, some newbie, instead of critiquing the IC.  Why would you do that if you were a cooperative townie?  Are you too busy flinging accusations at me, to share you wisdom with the town?  No.

But even he saw the silliness in his empty accusations, so he said to himself "ooh, I better find some more things to say", and he came up with this:

Voting Halmie, for the "town is so fucked" sounding scummy.
Edited because I forgot to put Halmie in red.

You really shouldn't do that :s

Are you advising him not to edit posts, or are you threatening to nightkill him if he votes you?  I think you're sending both messages here.

Let me get this straight: this time, my crime is providing too much evidence against you?  So you're claiming my claims are without evidence, yet I go out of my way to find quotes to back them up.

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Therion knew (and I bet that everybody else did too) what I was saying. How come you didn't?
I should also note that I actually explained what I meant BEFORE he posted.

I don't see your explanation, but it's not important.  My question was a weak attempt to keep the pressure on you.  If that pressure is the reason your arguments are so easy to break apart, then I'm glad I asked it.

Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question? He could have asked "What color pants yould you like?" and still have got the same amount of a read.

I answered your question with the following:

No, I am questioning him. It gets discussion going. I said what role would you want in this game. So no I'm not asking what role he has.

Fair enough.  This is the same reason I questioned you over something so minor.
Right now, everyone has posted except GlyphGryph, and dorf.  Dorf hasn't responded to a question yet, so I'll add some pressure.

Unvote
Vote dorf

Really, his wording seemed like it could trick someone into claiming.  If it happened to be a newbie doctor or cop, that could have been disastrous for us.  I'm satisfied with his answer, particularly with obviouscum like dorf.

Answer to "why are you panicking" is: "I hope we don't lose a doctor or cop with this, but I trust his RVS vote, so it's okay"
This is typical anti-town behavior. NO townie wants a mislynch, unless it can lure out the scum. You just showed the public you don't care who gets lynched and have exposed yourself as scum.

I didn't trust his RVS vote.  I did some research, shared it, and chose to vote for one of the two people that hadn't posted yet.  It happened to you, and you have freaked out in response.  Including, lest anyone forget, instantly voting for me with *no* justification *whatsoever*.

So tell me again, Rolan7, why am I scum? Because I didn't post right at the start of the game? Because my RVS vote was on you?

At the time I was merely pressuring you to get you to vote, since you were nearly the *last* person to vote.  Much less getting involved at the start.
Calling your vote a RVS vote is another flat out lie, as you quoted my random vote when you made it.

How am I more scummy than inteuniso?

Well then, Errol, been spying lately?

He only said one word more than I did. Surely that makes him scum?

I'm just a newbie, so I'll ask: does anyone thing I really need to respond to this?

Take your time replying to this, Rolan7. I'm sure you won't back off now, right?

Ball's in your court, space pirate.  Unlike when I made my vote against you, I am now completely convinced that you are scum.  Truth is the best weapon of the town, and I have shown you to be a liar.  Isn't it one of the basic strategies, that a townie should never lie?  If you are town, then we'll waste a lynching on your lying self, instead of a scum.  Which would be better than lynching any of the other townies who have proceeded without obvious dishonesty.

I'll try to write a more concise proof when I get a chance, perhaps tonight.

[ExKirby]

I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.

[dorf]

Before my pressure-post on Rolan7, ExKirby was showing his "hyper-aggression" on Rolan7 that was pretty weak. After my post he agrees with me:

Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.

YOU should have done this, when you were pathetically attacking him.
But instead you agree with me 100% and won't even consider Rolan7's reply?! How come I'm any more pro-town than he is?

Luckily GG addressed this early-on:

Exkirby, why did you give up questioning Rolan so easily?

You ask him questions, he gives crappy responses, and then... you jump to Errol? Citing that pressing him won't help short term? If you think he's scum, you push till he breaks or you're sure he isn't scum. Especially if his answers haven't been good enough.

So, why is it? Do you no longer think he's scum? Would you rather let someone else pressure him instead of you? Were you satisfied with his answers?

Not satisfied, more annoyed. I figured that if he kept up giving answers like he did, I wouldn't have much of a read on him. So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.

SCUM ALERT!
WHAT?! You stopped questioning him because of his inadequate answers?
This is the time, when you should pressure him even harder, not back off!
I think he proved he's more than willing to give proper answers, so why not take this opportunity to ask him the questions you, apparently, had in mind for him?

So, I decided to try to get reads on other people.

You just shown you are inefficient at scumhunting or just plain uninterested in a Mafia lynch.
In both cases you exude scumminess!

@Errol-My bad. I'm not that phychic, so... my bad. Anyway, while my vote's on you, why did you want to give Rolan the "Benefit of the doubt"? Doubt is baad. Very, very baad.

Because he might be town, that's why. So, by your definition, you think all attackers are automatically cleared??

ExKirby: SirBayer even asked where all the player were, to which you replied "I'm here."
If you intended to be "hyper-aggressive", where the hell is it? Seems like you thought you'll be town, but now you're afraid to give proper attacks to anyone, because you are scum.

Later on you even kid around!

Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.

While some of us are trying to ACTUALLY be aggressive, you show no such signs.

My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.

No. It's your turn now.
You haven't been useful AT ALL so far, so let's MAKE you useful. Tell us why have you been passive? Why do you post just to post? Where did all the promised aggressiveness went? And, if you're going to say that you just said that for the lulz, then explain how is your passiveness helping town?

I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.

Again! He's so agreeable and nice to everyone. He doesn't apply pressure himself. He waits for others to write the reasons for him and jump on the wagon!
I mean.. If he has rock solid evidence, why do you even have to hear from Errol? It's not likely he'll break under the lukewarm pressure you're giving him.

[Therion]

@GlyphGryph:
Rolan7 voted on you, and he wasn't showered with questions and suspicions.
And if you're not scared of votes, why didn't you stay "ignored" my vote, as you claimed you could?
Perhaps you're trying to pose as a concerned townie, scum.

[Rolan7]

Unfortunately, therion, I didn't actually vote him.  The mod was in error and should edit his previous post before it causes additional confusion, imho.
(not back at my computer yet, this is my treo)

[GlyphGryph]

I might have time to actually make posts tonight thanks to computer access (yay!), but I got a drive to get there.

Before I go, dorf reminds me -
Exkirby, remember that my vote is still on you for all the reasons I've said before. Whille Therion may be scum, and I'm pushing him for a while now, you're not getting away from me. You've lied about your strategy, faked aggression, buddied with others and tried to hang low. Now it sounds like you're planning on siding with Rolan against dorf, even though according to you, you still weren't happy with his answers?

He's posting, he's active, you can question more than one person at once. The fact that you dropped off him while you supposedly still thought he was scummy because "his answers annoyed you"... well, lets just say I'm going to have to start seeing some town tells from you soon, or my vote isn't going anywhere.