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[inteuniso]

You guys really should start talking. I mean, we're in a bad position in which scum is most likely to win, and there are currently 4 votes. 4!

Goddamn you guys, we can't scumhunt by ourselves! We need help!

[Vector]

You guys really should start talking. I mean, we're in a bad position in which scum is most likely to win, and there are currently 4 votes. 4!

Goddamn you guys, we can't scumhunt by ourselves! We need help!

So respond to his post and convince everyone he's scum, doodabuddy.  Get the show roadwards!

[dakarian]

If you aren't an IC or the host (or wandering passerbys) the 'let's get talking' isn't very much helpful since 'talking about talking' is rather meh. 

I would HIGHLY *HIGHLY* (with the added weight of the one running the Attendance ranking board) recommend this:

EVERY SINGLE PERSON POST.. and not a "I'm here" or "Get in here" mess.  Post either of this:

1. If you are voting for someone now (ExKirby, Errol, GlyphGryph, inteuniso) then state right now WHY you are voting for them.. and no 'you're scummy'.. WHY are they scummy.

2. If you are NOT voting right now (Akigagak, Therion, Rolan7) the time for being undecisive has LONG past.  Vote for someone and figure out a reason why.  If you aren't sure who, then FIND someone.  If you are REALLY stumped, then RandomVote and bring up a question for them to ask if nothing else.

Don't post that you are going to.. post when you have it, but DO get it done, NOW!

[inteuniso]

Funny Dakarian, I was just working on explaining why the hell I was voting for scum.

Anyways, I'm going to jump on ExKirby.

While his one comment about Therion is most certainly scummy, there are other crimes he hast commited.

I'll admit I overlooked that post.

"Overlooked?" Scum, it is never advisable to overlook posts. Especially those that topple your credibility.

Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.

Instead of scumhunting, messing around. At this time you did not have a vote on anyone.

Lies. My vote was on Errol. I was waiting for a response.

My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.

You buddied with me here. Care to explain why, scum?

I thought I already said that I buddy with anyone. In fact, I don't see any buddying.[/quote]

Buddying with anyone is very scummy. It's not a very blatant buddying either, but adding the we adds your support. Thus, buddying.

Thats not a quote of anything I've ever encountered. The quote that's always thrown around is the best defense is a good attack. Occasionally Attack is the best defense, and the best defense is offense.

If all you're doing is defending, then all you're doing is trying to stay alive. To deflect attacks to anyone but yourself. Interesting that this is a similiar theme in your "spread out and attack multiple people" angle. After all, it doesn't really matter who else gets taken down, does it? Since you're scum, any town will do.

What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.

OMGUS there without the vote.[/quote]...Maybe I overdid that. But that's the only solid piece of evidence you have on me.[/quote]

One solid piece of evidence is enough to start the cogs moving.

...dorf. Although I'm in favour for nice agressive attacks, I prefer to SPREAD my attacks until I find a slip, then keep on ramming it repeatedly. If you spread it out, you get a nice, balanced ownage. After reading through your text wall, then Rolan's, I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me.

Bandwagoning on dorf.

Yes. If, by bandwagonning, you mean putting in some solid evidence.[/quote]

You did put up a wall of text. But anyone can put up a wall of text, scum.

You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.

Bandwagoning.

I'd like to see your backup for this one.[/quote]

Backup?  Dorf was pretty much dead at that point.

...You sure you're talking about the same person as I am?
You wrote Therion, put it in red, and spelled it correctly... which is surprising due to your large amounts of misspellings, scumbucket.
Hey, I overlook a post. So? Oh, and seeing as you accused me of bandwagonning, I think I have the right to. Seeing as a bandwagon is a third vote, and mine was second, your defention is wrong. Especially when I had the best evidence against him. I'm not afraid of you or your silly little lies. Scrap the lurker. I'm going full on you, inteuniso.

Oh yes, because lurking was great for the town. You might have brought evidence against dorf, but that was to deflect attention away from you. And now, another OMGUS? Scumbucket, you know no bounds.

[GlyphGryph]

Seeing as a bandwagon is a third vote, and mine was second, your defention is wrong. Especially when I had the best evidence against him.

Bandwagonning doesn't require it to be the third vote. It just requires you to play a game of follow the leader instead.

Therion, damn it, I have a question on you. Get in here, scumhunt, vote, and answer.
You've seemed scummy as hell since day one with your oh-so-obvious "How many scum could their possible be in this game? I totally don't know and thus could not be scum! Let's no-lynch now!" opening posts, and the amount of lurking you've done combined with the lack of content or any attempt to hunt when you DO show up is pretty damning. I'm tempted to make this post a tirade against you instead of an argument against exkirby - honestly, I think you're the two scummiest players here, and there are two scum. So unless you want my vote on you tomorrow, start talking.

Okay, I'm making my official argument for the lynch of exkirby now.
Day 1:

He Claims his strategy for the game will be hyperaggressive scumhunting. Clearly not the case. He's adopted much more of a "fly under the radar" approach, from what I've seen - and that screams scum to me.

The he Jumps on Rolan early on for... scumhunting too hard?

Rolan7, why so overpanicking on a random question?

Admittedly, getting justifications for votes is a decent start at scumhunting, so maybe not a scumtell in and of itself. But then backs off, lets someone else take over - finding scum just doesn't seem to be something he's interested in.

He then buddies with dorf, congratulating him on all the pressure he put on Rolan, specifically emphasizing how it would let him sit out the confrontation!
exKirby:

Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.

I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

Your next major contribution is...

We are all very unlucky in this BM, I have to say. Aside from that... nothing.

?
Wonderful

Then you go on to say, against Errol, your newest target,

My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.

This reeks of buddying, AND passing the responsibility onto the other person.  Instead of saying "we need to get him to talk" why didn't you, you know, actually do something to try making him talk?

Your next post congratulates Rolan7 on his "rock solid evidence" against dorf (recall he congratulated dorf on his "hunk of evidence" against Rolan the day before). Definitely supports your evidence that you buddy with everyone... thinking whoever won the townie fight would end up supporting you because of your compliments, scum?

Then you have another post where you try to justify why you aren't actually scumhunting... and, what's this? Dorf attacks you, so you threaten to OMGUS him - RIGHT after declaring he was probably town!

I'd say you were trying to start a townie-townie/townie-scum war. Most likely the first. Thanks. You've just cleared Rolan for me. I would vote you and add a wall of text if it weren't for the fact that I have to go to school now.

Worse, you simultaneously try to make yourself look better, as if you have a wall of text your just rearing to post against this person you JUST said you think is town, but you're not going to post it? What. the. hell?

And then, instead of doing anything approaching scumhunting, you DO post a wall of text... full to the brim with defensiveness? (not going to quote this one, see page 9)

From there on in you just go on about how you are CONVINCED of dorfs scummyness while threatening to OMGUS me (and remember, you haven't posted a single argument against him since you said you thought he was town!)

What, so by your logic, I'm scum because I defended myself? Is this some kind of co-ordinated attack against me? ...Nah, that's crazy. But still, what would your reaction be if someone were to attack you? My first guess, a devensive one. Hell, if I wasn't near-convinced of dorf's scummynesss, I would vote you.

To make matters worse, I'd given you fairly simple instructions on what you need to do to get me off your back - scumhunt someone. And instead you start going off with your paranoid defenses?

And then your very next post about him, after dorf pulls his super-stupid "everyone said they're gonna vote for me if I do this, so I'm going to do this instead of trying to defend myself move" is...

You blew what I believed to be your pro-townieness with this.

So which is it? did you think he was town? did you think he was scum? Or did you KNOW he was town, but thought he was looking like an easy target since I was pressuring you to scumhunt someone (which you STILL haven't tried to do) Also, convenient that YOUR vote was the one that set up the whole no-lynch dillema in the first place, after buddying with Rolan in a situation you previously declared was probably a town/town fight...

I dont need to repeat the arguments made against you today, I think.

So yeah, going back through all of that, I'm convinced - Exkirby, you are scum. Hands down. And you need to be voted off now.

[webadict]

Those last two posts were mighty impressive.

[Errol]

There sure is a lot of evidence and pressure on ExKirby, so I fear if I chime in I won't be able to make a difference (read: huge honking wall of text), and, at worst, it will look like a bandwagon, so I believe I should stay on my target.

Akigagak, inactivity of the others is no reason to be inactive yourself, or to not cast a vote. You were lurking day 1, too. As per dakarian these days are over, so get in here and decide on a target. You've got a list. Now push a member of the list.

[Akigagak]

You're right, it isn't an excuse for inactivity, but my there are those who are less active then I am.

For example, Rolan, why have you been so quiet this day? Since moaning about how screwed we are, you haven't made a single post. Are you hiding after what happened with dorf, trying to avoid attention for that debacle?
If it was a mistake, and you are a town who genuinely thought that dorf was scum, then you haven't anything to fear, but lurking like this looks very scummy.

[Rolan7]

About my inaction: sorry guys, RL issues kept me busy.  Also I was a bit depressed and wanted someone less suspicious to start the scum-hunting.  Don't know if that was a good idea or not, it took a while for people to step up, but now we have some good arguments out.

But guys, it isn't over yet!  We have at least a 2/7 = 28% chance of lynch scum this round, as long as we don't give up.  That's not hopeless, and that's assuming we just voted randomly, so our actual odds are much better.

No time for a wall of text, but I did read up to this point and my reaction is that inteuniso's attack on ExKirby was kinda weak but basically correct, and GlyphGryph made an excellent post.  I'll be back to reevaluate my vote and do some scumhunting tonight, but until then,

vote ExKirby

Also ExKirby's messed up quote tags made his argument and the following replies much harder to understand.  Being hard to understand is scummy, so use "preview".

[ExKirby]

Rolan, I think that int's tags were blatantly broken anyway. I'm just gonna respond to attacks part by part.

int, I make mistakes, OK? I'm human. I wanted to get my evidence in fast. Ergo, I forgot to check the current page. He hasn't actually posted any formal evidence yet, either.

When I said we, I meant we the town we.

...I really can't find anything to cancel out in that statement.

Yes, anyone can. However, I was tho only one who did against DORF.

I was the one with the most evidence on dorf. I figured it couldn't hurt to add more to.

int... please. Half of your statement was shit. And lies. And town DOESN'T LIE. Overdo, yes, but never lie.

Now to Glyph's post...

Well, I have to admit, even though I don't mean to, I do fly under the radar. I just... do.

I backed off because I figured that it wasn't worth going for Rolan. I didn't see him slipping up, so...

I believe it does. With the massive amount of lurkers, Scum could just slide in, vote Rolan, and no-one would be the wiser.

My post supporting Rolan was a fair dsitance time-wise in game. Scrap the number of posts, TIME. Buddying... I'm a nice person. It's just who I am.

I play Lynch All Liars. And Lynch All Manipulators. If you looked at the bottom of my wall, I said "At the risk of this being classed as an OMGUS". I was ignoring the fact that I could be lynched because of it for the benifit of the town. OK?

Our defenitions of Attack and Defense are different. I class attack as anything that adds pressure to te target. In this case, a flat out liar.

...I was a bit annoyed when I said I'd vote you. RL stuff. I probably would have unvoted you had I actually voted you.

Hey, that was a response to his latest post. If I don't quote, It's a response to the latset post.

Town/Town... I was reffering to Rolan and me, not dorf.

And actually, most of these arguments have been used. I've dealt with them. Most of them are bullshit. Unless you can find some new, decent evidence on me, go find someone else to lie to. Unless, of course, you are scum team/scum-manupulating-townie team?

@Rolan... that's the perfect defintion of bandwagoning right there. Add evidence.

[Rolan7]

Er, sorry ExKirby, but I think it's even more confusing when you don't include quotes at all.  Maybe inteuniso and GlyphGryph can pick out your responses to their attacks, but I can't tell what half your statements are in response to.

I'm not going to waste my time, Inteusniso's time, and GlyphGryph's time by ignoring their compelling arguments just because you call it "bandwagoning".  Maybe if more people had bothered to read my "walls of text" against dorf, instead of pursuing their own attacks (I am guilty of this) then someone could have convinced me dorf was town.  Instead it seems like everyone tried to get someone else lynched, until the very last moment where we had to choose *somebody*.  So yeah, I'm going to listen to other people now, alright?

If I have to add my own attack, then I'm suspicious of your sloppy quoting/lack of quoting.  For all I know you're trying to confuse people, making it so you look like you're answering arguments, but it's impossible to confirm.

I may reconsider my vote if you tell me what

...I really can't find anything to cancel out in that statement.

Yes, anyone can. However, I was tho only one who did against DORF.

I was the one with the most evidence on dorf. I figured it couldn't hurt to add more to.

is supposed to mean.  What did *you* do against dorf?  What evidence did *you* have?  My case against dorf was practically solo up until the last moment of the extension!  I don't even know what you're saying here.

[ExKirby]

When referring to things, I tend to use spaces to space out my speech.

The bit about no canceling out was the bit about the cogs in int's wall.

I probably forgot about you while countering the wall, so ignore the middle line.

The last one... I did have it. Maybe I just didn't make it clear?

[Rolan7]

Aha!  I just found the "print" button.  I clicked on it, searched for "post by: ExKirby", and tried to find this evidence on dorf you say you had.  I see now why people gave you a hard time for the "notapropervote"...

After dorf made put a lot of effort into a wall-of-text against me:

Well, with THAT hunk of evidene, I don't need extra pressure added. Nice job, dorf.

GlyphGryph called you out on it.

I'm here. And Errol has gone quiet again. Best Day 1 ever.

We are all very unlucky in this BM, I have to say. Aside from that... nothing.

Foe the lols, notapropervote SirBayer.

Then you start "supporting" me:

My first guess, another 12-page essay. Either way we need to get him to talk.

Yet you don't provide a 1-page essay.  Why's that?
Then in response to another essay I wrote against dorf:

I think you have some rock solid evidence there, but I want to hear from Errol before I do anything.

I read this and assumed you had made a case against Errol and I had missed it.  This was me being very sloppy and I'm sorry.  You made no case at all against Errol!  You were just trying to piggyback again!  First with dorf, then against dorf, then against Errol.

Only now that you're being attacked, do you make paragraphs... defending yourself.  My vote stands.

I also finger of suspicion therion, since he is being very quiet.  He needs to answer GlyphGryph, at least, and should be scumhunting.

[dakarian]

Sidenote: As of this moment, only Therion has yet to speak up or vote though there's still time to do so.

Protip: When there's a situation about lurking, if the person has flatly not been around, don't use your vote to threaten them: use the Host.  It's the hosts' job to push a person back into activity or to replace them if they remain gone.

Once the person comes back to being active, or if they have been barely active but not really involved (which is called 'active lurking') THEN you press on them. 

[SirBayer]

Aaaaand the deadline was today but my internet was dead.

You get 'till 10 PST tomorrow - AM.