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[Magnnus]

It's always a trade off, it should have a ridiculous recharge/reload time and require a lot of tech/materials.

@MrWiggles: I need to cheat and see how levels of missile range compare to laser range late-game. From what I see so far missile range is far greater than lasers at the same level of tech.

And thats only one stage rockets; you can make multi-stage rockets that can fly across the whole system.

[Ozyton]

So I wonder if you can put MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles

That would be... uhm...

[KaelGotDwarves]

Really, missiles are the ultimate weapon in this game - everything else works to counter it- other missiles, lasers, CIWS.

The problem with missiles are:
They require space on the ship
They need to be built/require materials

[Ozyton]

Yeah, so it all evens out. This has me curious about torpedoes though... I'll have to look into those...

[Magnnus]

So I wonder if you can put MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles inside of MIRV missiles

That would be... uhm...

I think you can.

[MrWiggles]

Hrm.... Installing FreeBSD seems to risky to do on my one and only computer for the near future, now to look for other window emulator to play this game. Let see if I can find a pcguest serial number.

[Aqizzar]

Okay, I really want to learn how to play this game.  So I'm making an honest effort at learning how to do stuff, but it's not making it easy for me.

For one thing, I keep getting these "Error 713" and "Error 93" messages when I click on certain stuff.  I don't think that's preventing me from telling ships to go places, but it sounds like a problem all the same.  I haven't seen anything else about it here.

[Trorbes]

You'll get those errors occasionally, especially in the Research panel for some reason.  They don't visibly hurt the game or anything, though, so it's probably nothing to worry about.

[Greiger]

Restarted with the new version.  Doing significantly better now that I know a little better what I'm doing.  My grav survey ships have jump drives, my geo survey ships have massive fuel tanks to help with all the asteroids and moons and junk they need to fly around and survey, my jump gate constructors now have better construction modules, I have a small fleet of terraforming ships terraforming a suitable neighbor planet in my home system, I have ships in alien systems at 2027 (started 2025) and the first one I encountered is a 3 star system with no less than 5 suitable planets.

Hopefully my combat ships are better designed now too.

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Demon class Cruiser    5600 tons     593 Crew     826 BP      TCS 112  TH 160  EM 0
1428 km/s     Armour 3-28     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 34
Annual Failure Rate: 125%    IFR: 1.7%    Maintenance Capacity 184 MSP    Max Repair 58 MSP
Magazine 33   

Nuclear Pulse Engine M10 (4)    Power 40    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 90,000 Litres    Range 28.9 billion km   (234 days at full power)

20cm C4 Heavy Laser (1)    Range 200,000km     TS: 3000 km/s     Power 10-4     RM 2    ROF 15        10 10 6 5 4 3 2 2 2 2
Single 10cm C3 Point Defense Laser Turret (2x1)    Range 30,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 1    ROF 5        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Single 12cm C4 Light Laser Turret (2x1)    Range 80,000km     TS: 6000 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 2    ROF 5        4 4 2 2 1 1 1 1 0 0
Single 15cm C3 Medium Laser Turret (1x1)    Range 120,000km     TS: 6000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 2    ROF 10        6 6 4 3 2 2 1 1 1 1
Long Range Fire Control R128k S3k (1)    Max Range: 256,000 km   TS: 3000 km/s     96 92 88 84 80 77 73 69 65 61
Point Defense Fire Control R32k S12k (2)    Max Range: 64,000 km   TS: 12000 km/s     84 69 53 37 22 6 0 0 0 0
General Fire Control R64k S6k (2)    Max Range: 128,000 km   TS: 6000 km/s     92 84 77 69 61 53 45 37 30 22
Pebble Bed Reactor Large (1)     Total Power Output 18    Armour 0    Exp 5%

MX Class Launcher (1)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 45
MX Missile Fire control (1)     Range 28.8m km    Resolution 20
MX  F.A.S.T. (11)  Speed: 10,700 km/s   End: 46.9m    Range: 30.1m km   WH: 3    Size: 3    TH: 53 / 32 / 16

Active Search Sensor Tiny Res (1)     GPS 12     Range 120k km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor Medium Res (1)     GPS 240     Range 2.4m km    Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
EM Detection Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes


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Troll class Missile Criuser    8250 tons     866 Crew     1091.6 BP      TCS 165  TH 280  EM 0
1696 km/s     Armour 2-36     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 39
Annual Failure Rate: 108%    IFR: 1.5%    Maintenance Capacity 413 MSP    Max Repair 72 MSP
Magazine 519   

Nuclear Pulse Engine M10 (7)    Power 40    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 10.9 billion km   (74 days at full power)

MX Class Launcher (2)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 45
HX Class Missile Launcher (1)    Missile Size 12    Rate of Fire 180
GR Class Missile Launcher (1)    Missile Size 9    Rate of Fire 135
GL Class Launcher (2)    Missile Size 6    Rate of Fire 90
MX Missile Fire control (2)     Range 28.8m km    Resolution 20
GL Missile Fire control (2)     Range 43.2m km    Resolution 20
GR Missile Fire Control (1)     Range 21.6m km    Resolution 10
HX Missile Fire Control (1)     Range 25.2m km    Resolution 14
MX  F.A.S.T. (20)  Speed: 10,700 km/s   End: 46.9m    Range: 30.1m km   WH: 3    Size: 3    TH: 53 / 32 / 16
MX B.O.M.B. (5)  Speed: 8,000 km/s   End: 31.2m    Range: 15m km   WH: 6    Size: 3    TH: 26 / 16 / 8
GR Scatterswarm Missile (5)  Speed: 6,200 km/s   End: 67m    Range: 25.1m km   WH: 0    Size: 9    TH: 20 / 12 / 6
HX Scatterswarm Missile (5)  Speed: 6,700 km/s   End: 56.2m    Range: 22.8m km   WH: 0    Size: 12    TH: 22 / 13 / 6
HX High Explosive Missile (10)  Speed: 10,700 km/s   End: 23.4m    Range: 15m km   WH: 18    Size: 12    TH: 46 / 27 / 13
GL Explosive (20)  Speed: 10,700 km/s   End: 70.3m    Range: 45.1m km   WH: 6    Size: 6    TH: 46 / 27 / 13
GR Explosive (11)  Speed: 10,700 km/s   End: 31.2m    Range: 20.1m km   WH: 12    Size: 9    TH: 50 / 30 / 15

Active Search Sensor Medium Res (1)     GPS 240     Range 2.4m km    Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
EM Detection Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes


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Longbow class Light Carrier    4850 tons     297 Crew     616 BP      TCS 97  TH 160  EM 0
1649 km/s     Armour 2-25     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 12     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 94%    IFR: 1.3%    Maintenance Capacity 159 MSP    Max Repair 180 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 2000 tons     

Nuclear Pulse Engine M10 (4)    Power 40    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 37.1 billion km   (260 days at full power)

Long range low res Active Scanner (1)     GPS 720     Range 7.2m km    Resolution 4
Thermal Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
EM Detection Sensor Basic (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

Strike Group
6x Kobold Fighter   Speed: 3636 km/s    Size: 6.6

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes


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Kobold class Fighter    330 tons     49 Crew     40.2 BP      TCS 6.6  TH 24  EM 0
3636 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 4
Annual Failure Rate: 66%    IFR: 0.9%    Maintenance Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 16 MSP

FTR Nuclear Pulse Engine E1000 (1)    Power 24    Fuel Use 10000%    Signature 24    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 0.5 billion km   (41 hours at full power)

12cm C4 Light Laser (1)    Range 32,000km     TS: 3636 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 2    ROF 5        4 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control Fighter  (1)    Max Range: 32,000 km   TS: 12000 km/s     69 37 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes


And yea I think you can put mult-stage missiles as stages for multistage missiles.  I almost did for my HX scatterswarms.  But I figured all the tiny missiles packed into that were already enough of a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacrossMissileMassacre

[x2yzh9]

I've started a new game, and discovered ruins in Lacaille 256[One jump from Alpha Centauri, wich is again one jump from Sol] and after 3 years i discovered they were named the Kingdom of Sol Lous. The planet is somewhat habitable, at 2x colony cost. Maybe it got nuked? Hopefully i'll come upon them, since i have their language already translated from the dig.

[Aqizzar]

You'll get those errors occasionally, especially in the Research panel for some reason.  They don't visibly hurt the game or anything, though, so it's probably nothing to worry about.

Hooray for more awesomely bad design.  I can't remember a game that ever inspired me to rag on it as much as this mess.  I've been sitting here for two hours reading three different tutorials just trying to make ships move.  Finally I decided to just start over, but the program can't even start a new game correctly.  I go through the new game process from the main menu, and then it just loads the game I was playing before anyway.

You really couldn't do a worse job of making a program and have it still run.  Even when it works properly it's inhumanly unintuitive.  I wouldn't believe it was actually playable if this thread wasn't here with people talking about the stuff they're doing, which just makes me more angry because I know I'm not too stupid to figure this out.

[MrWiggles]

Why do you have so many fire control on the troll class?

[Greiger]

If it helps any Aquizzar most of what I learned came from reading one tutorial, part of an AAR and copious amounts of trial and error.

Hell, I still don't know how to use ground units at all, I have a civilian spaceport that I have no idea how to make use of, and actual combat is a vague mystery because I haven't encountered anything that wants to kill me with electric death.

@Wiggles Because I built specific fire controls for each class of missile.  It struck me as probably a silly way to go about it after they were designed and recearched, but at least this way the thing could target all the little targets it would ever want and I can be reasonably sure of what ranges I can design my missiles fore compared to size.

[Cthulhu]

Not to be a stickler, but Cruisers are way bigger than that stuff you're using right now.  I'd put you more in the destroyer range.

Not to be a stickler, of course.

[Greiger]

Noted, at least that's easy to fix.  I don't know the first thing about navy designations or anything like that.