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[Rince Wind]

At home with maintenance facilities.

[bloop_bleep]

Imagine how great a schematic of these ship designs would be, like I'm seeing over at the Rule the Waves LP. That's an idea for a mod, especially since it wouldn't need to modify the database, either, just read game data to provide a visual guide.

[Micro102]

All the code boxes for the ship designs are super narrow for me. Like two lines word of text narrow. How do i fix this?

[Rince Wind]

I think [.spoiler] and [.code] don't like each other.

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Agamemnon class Fuel Harvester      59 288 tons       284 Crew       1 063.4 BP       TCS 1 186    TH 1 250    EM 0
1054 km/s      Armour 1-135       Shields 0-0       HTK 132      Sensors 8/8/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 11    Max Repair 50 MSP
Korvettenkapitan    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months   
Fuel Harvester: 15 modules producing 960 000 litres per annum

Hammare Drive Systems Commercial Ion Drive  EP250.00 (5)    Power 1250    Fuel Use 2.72%    Signature 250    Explosion 4%
Fuel Capacity 7 500 000 Litres    Range 838.5 billion km (9207 days at full power)


Edit: Yeah, it seems to work without spoilers.
Refuelling Capability: 100 000 litres per hour     Complete Refuel 75 hours

Jansson Sensor Systems EM Sensor EM1.0-8.0 (1)     Sensitivity 8     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  22.4m km
Öberg Electronics Thermal Sensor TH1.0-8.0 (1)     Sensitivity 8     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  22.4m km

Edit:
I am trying something new (for me): A carrier with 4 exploration parasites. I like the concept of the expensive jump ship staying at the jump point and sending out small craft, in this case 500t "fighters" to do the exploring. But it seems it is a micromanagement hell, because there is no way to retain the standing orders for the fighters. I have to detach them each time and then set the orders again. Am I missing something?

Also, is there a way to add new commander names? I know I can add themes that can be used for ships, systems and so on.

[Micro102]

that said, how's the new diplomacy? can you get something silly like a current year earth with the 5 major forces as prewarp empire fighting for the moon?

That has been in for ages.  That was the last improvement before C#

Well I know what I'm doing when I inevitably give up on on my "no minerals on luna or mars and next habitable planet is 4 jumps away" run.

I was promised early earth war. How do I do this?

[Flying Dice]

Just designed my 1st navy in Aurora C#.

Any glaring oversights to see?
There will be tankers.

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Jump capability will be delivered by 2 of these:
[codeHercules class Jump Destroyer Escort      14 995 tons       366 Crew       2 087.2 BP       TCS 300    TH 1 728    EM 1 650
5762 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 5-54       Shields 55-440       HTK 95      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 25      PPV 14
Maint Life 4.48 Years     MSP 1 348    AFR 116%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 109    5YR 1 628    Max Repair 170.3 MSP
Magazine 374   
Fregattankapitan    Control Rating 2   BRG   AUX   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Ek-Nyström J15000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 15000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

Norberg & Henriksson Aeromarine Magneto-plasma Drive  EP288.00 (6)    Power 1728    Fuel Use 32.60%    Signature 288    Explosion 9%
Fuel Capacity 1 000 000 Litres    Range 36.8 billion km (73 days at full power)
Ugglas-Hansson Defence Technologies Epsilon S55 / R440 Shields (1)     Recharge Time 440 seconds (0.1 per second)

Norberg Ordnance Size 1 Missile Launcher (14)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
Holmgren Electronics Missile Fire Control FC24-R1 (2)     Range 24.3m km    Resolution 1
Nordin Ordnance Bataan AMM (370)    Speed: 26 800 km/s    End: 1.6m     Range: 2.6m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 196/117/58

Eliasson & Jonsson Electronics Active Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1)     GPS 105     Range 19.2m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes[/code]

Sensors are on 2 command ships:

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Odysseus class Command Ship      10 094 tons       215 Crew       1 636 BP       TCS 202    TH 1 152    EM 3 300
5706 km/s      Armour 6-41       Shields 110-440       HTK 56      Sensors 11/11/0/0      DCR 7      PPV 5
Maint Life 3.22 Years     MSP 709    AFR 116%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 103    5YR 1 542    Max Repair 129.6 MSP
Magazine 185   
Kapitan zur See    Control Rating 2   BRG   FLG   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Norberg & Henriksson Aeromarine Magneto-plasma Drive  EP288.00 (4)    Power 1152    Fuel Use 32.60%    Signature 288    Explosion 9%
Fuel Capacity 750 000 Litres    Range 41 billion km (83 days at full power)
Ugglas-Hansson Defence Technologies Epsilon S55 / R440 Shields (2)     Recharge Time 440 seconds (0.3 per second)

Norberg Ordnance Size 1 Missile Launcher (5)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
Holmgren Electronics Missile Fire Control FC24-R1 (1)     Range 24.3m km    Resolution 1
Nordin Ordnance Bataan AMM (185)    Speed: 26 800 km/s    End: 1.6m     Range: 2.6m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 196/117/58

Eliasson & Jonsson Electronics Active Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1)     GPS 105     Range 19.2m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1
Eliasson & Jonsson Electronics Active Search Sensor AS88-R100 (1)     GPS 10500     Range 89m km    Resolution 100
Nordström Sensor Systems EM Sensor EM1.0-11.0 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  26.2m km
Nordström Sensor Systems Thermal Sensor TH1.0-11.0 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  26.2m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
The main punch will come from box launchers:

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Dracon class Destroyer      14 947 tons       216 Crew       1 928.4 BP       TCS 299    TH 1 728    EM 1 650
5780 km/s      Armour 5-54       Shields 55-440       HTK 56      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 21      PPV 90
Maint Life 3.57 Years     MSP 887    AFR 162%    IFR 2.3%    1YR 107    5YR 1 609    Max Repair 129.6 MSP
Magazine 600   
Kapitan zur See    Control Rating 2   BRG   CIC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Norberg & Henriksson Aeromarine Magneto-plasma Drive  EP288.00 (6)    Power 1728    Fuel Use 32.60%    Signature 288    Explosion 9%
Fuel Capacity 750 000 Litres    Range 27.7 billion km (55 days at full power)
Ugglas-Hansson Defence Technologies Epsilon S55 / R440 Shields (1)     Recharge Time 440 seconds (0.1 per second)

Norberg Ordonance Size 6.00 Box Launcher (100)     Missile Size: 6    Hangar Reload 122 minutes    MF Reload 20 hours
Holmgren Electronics Missile Fire Control FC112-R100 (2)     Range 112.6m km    Resolution 100
Nordin Ordnance Brisbane Anti-Ship Missile (100)    Speed: 22 400 km/s    End: 35.7m     Range: 48m km    WH: 9    Size: 6    TH: 104/62/31

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

I shall have missile escorts and laser ones. The latter will be used if there isn't much coming our way and maybe to finish off stragglers.

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Dionysus class Escort      9 972 tons       202 Crew       1 448.7 BP       TCS 199    TH 1 152    EM 0
5776 km/s      Armour 5-41       Shields 0-0       HTK 64      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 7      PPV 15
Maint Life 3.65 Years     MSP 681    AFR 106%    IFR 1.5%    1YR 79    5YR 1 186    Max Repair 129.6 MSP
Magazine 735   
Fregattankapitan    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Norberg & Henriksson Aeromarine Magneto-plasma Drive  EP288.00 (4)    Power 1152    Fuel Use 32.60%    Signature 288    Explosion 9%
Fuel Capacity 750 000 Litres    Range 41.5 billion km (83 days at full power)

Norberg Ordnance Size 1 Missile Launcher (15)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
Holmgren Electronics Missile Fire Control FC24-R1 (3)     Range 24.3m km    Resolution 1
Nordin Ordnance Bataan AMM (735)    Speed: 26 800 km/s    End: 1.6m     Range: 2.6m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 196/117/58

Eliasson & Jonsson Electronics Active Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1)     GPS 105     Range 19.2m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

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Zeus class Escort      9 983 tons       255 Crew       1 704 BP       TCS 200    TH 1 152    EM 0
5770 km/s      Armour 5-41       Shields 0-0       HTK 68      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 9      PPV 45.54
Maint Life 4.27 Years     MSP 960    AFR 89%    IFR 1.2%    1YR 85    5YR 1 269    Max Repair 129.6 MSP
Fregattankapitan    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Norberg & Henriksson Aeromarine Magneto-plasma Drive  EP288.00 (4)    Power 1152    Fuel Use 32.60%    Signature 288    Explosion 9%
Fuel Capacity 750 000 Litres    Range 41.5 billion km (83 days at full power)

Quad Dahlberg & Arvidsson Precision Arms 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x4)    Range 64 000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 12-12     RM 50 000 km    ROF 5       
Vikström & Larsson Beam Fire Control R64-TS16000 (3)     Max Range: 64 000 km   TS: 16 000 km/s     84 69 53 38 22 6 0 0 0 0
Lindberg & Hellström Aero Engines Stellarator Fusion Reactor R6 (6)     Total Power Output 36    Exp 5%

Eliasson & Jonsson Electronics Active Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1)     GPS 105     Range 19.2m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1

It just seems like a lot of tonnage for the bang, I know I used to have smaller ships, even at this techlevel.

1. At your apparent TL, shields are going to eat up a lot of tonnage for not much benefit. Unless I'm misremembering they also burn a lot of fuel, which will hurt the already bad fuel economy ships have had since the drive update.

2. Box launchers as your primary/only armament on your missile carriers is a bad idea if those carriers aren't strike craft, FACs, or monitors operating out of a colony. You will have no way to rearm those in the field. There's nothing wrong with using a complement of box launchers to give your ships a bigger salvo or two when they need to punch through a good PD network, but not having any standard launchers at all will give you grief.

3. Most of the ships don't actually have that much MSP, even though their maintenance life isn't awful. If you take damage to key components it's good odds you won't be able to make many repairs. This can still be workable, but you'll need to make sure that the logistics element of whatever fleet you deploy them with has a service vessel carrying lots of supplies.

4. Personally I'd go for a heavier weight of energy/ballistic PD and fewer AMMs, especially at lower TLs. If that's the flavor you want, it's fine, just so long as you're aware that AMMs are drastically inefficient and kill a fleet's ability to operate in combat for long periods of time.

5. Armor's looking pretty thin. Look at it this way: a single one of your ASMs would blow straight through any of your ships and do internal damage. Even your PD lasers would make short work of them. It's usually a good idea to make sure your ships could take a couple hits from their own weapons unless your tech is drastically unbalanced.

6. Your missile boats don't have their own active sensor. If your command ship goes down (which is likely, since the AI likes to shoot at active sensors), they're going to be blind. Having a dedicated sensor ship is pretty standard, but usually the idea is that you plonk a big system-wide (or as close as you can manage) AS inside it and still give your combat ships AS modules tuned to their respective combat ranges. You can also make two variants, one a command variant with the sensor and the second a standard variant with a few more launchers/turrets. Also, although R100 isn't as myopic as it used to be thanks to ships being larger all around, it's still going to eat into your effective engagement range even further.

7. Yeah, ships are going to trend bigger because several updates over the years have killed a lot of the things that made sub-10k ships viable at TL3-6. The main thing is the drive rework, since that completely murdered the power-to-weight ratio/fuel economy. Bigger drives with more fuel meant that ships got larger, slower, and more expensive, so you couldn't justify making them totally disposable like you used to with those little 4-8k ton buggers; that meant more armor, more PD weapons, and in turn larger JDs, and then more maintenance space and crew space to support all that. Now it's damn near impossible to make a ship under 10k tons at anything below high tech that doesn't totally sacrifice key elements of performance.

How did you learn this game without a tutoriel,btw ?

Spent a few weeks poking at everything to see what it did and starting new games.

[Shooer]

Shields at low TL are fine.  They don't use fuel, and are much improved over VB6.

I also rarely go thicker than 6 layers of armor at low TL anyway.  Just not worth it when speed is more important.

[Flying Dice]

Shields at low TL are fine.  They don't use fuel, and are much improved over VB6.

I also rarely go thicker than 6 layers of armor at low TL anyway.  Just not worth it when speed is more important.

Ah, good to hear. I was always annoyed by how useless they were in VB6, hadn't had a chance to test them in C# yet.

IMO 6-7 is the bare minimum for proper combat ships at TL4ish. You're not going to be fast enough to reliably catch/outrun most serious threats, so you gotta be able to take a few hits.

[Rince Wind]

Getting missiles from tenders to combat ships is a lot more involved as well now. Tenders need a 500t module to transfer missiles. And they can only transfer to 1 ship at a time, and only 40 MSP per hour at the lowest tech level. If you want to reload multiple ships at once ... well, you need a 100.000t module. Same for tankers, but then refueling isn't time sensitive most of the time, so it usually doesn't matter if it takes half a day to refuel the fleet.
So when I decided not to use tenders I decided to go all out on box launchers. With 6 launchers and regular magazines it would have been 120 instead of 100 missiles, and that tradeoff seemed worth it.

Yeah, armor was a bit thin, but I decided to risk it.

Startet a new game since.

[Micro102]

Sure you can't just slap on two 500t modules to restock 2 at once?

Also, I just made a new jumpship and could have sworn that military jump drives worked with commercial engines, but I'm being told the drive isn't suitable for commercial engines.

[Lord Shonus]

Sure you can't just slap on two 500t modules to restock 2 at once?

Also, I just made a new jumpship and could have sworn that military jump drives worked with commercial engines, but I'm being told the drive isn't suitable for commercial engines.

Jump drive have to match the engine type. This is a change from VB Aurora's behavior (which Steve has said somewhere was unintended, IIRC).

No matter how many ordnance modules you have, you can only resupply one ship at at time.

[Stench Guzman]

I spent all this time researching genetic engineering stuff and genetic engineering isn't implemented yet.

[Rince Wind]

Are you sure? You need to research a new and improved human/spacebug (Create Research Project: Create Species) and then use genetic modification centers to improve the base humans/spacebugs into their new, better selfs.




I have 65 scientists. Not a single one specializes in logistics. 

[Shooer]

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=10637.msg120877#msg120877

Not an implemented feature.

[Rince Wind]

Ah, damn, I only read this post so I assumed it was in.