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[Man of Paper]

Fun fact, I've been watching The Expanse before diving into Aurora. Named my first asteroid mining shit (I'm leaving that typo there, apparently my body types shit more naturally than ship) class, and it's subsequent first ship, Canterbury. Things went very well for me.

Haven't seen the latest episode, girlfriend wants us to watch it together. I hear shit gets awesome though. Apparently it's based off of a series of books that I must read, which explains why it's a SyFy property that's pretty good.

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SERIOUSLY IF YOU PLAN ON WATCHING THE EXPANSE GO NO FURTHER AND CLOSE THIS SPOILER BY ALL THAT IS HOLY

So with my one episode behindness I have a theory that they're making first contact. This theory semisolidified during the combat with The Donnager. If the Martian Flagship stood so little chance against these ships, and they're the militarily advanced power in the system then they gotta be from somewhere else. And who would gain from a Mars/Earth war? Earth would be, from what I've gathered, overpowered in a war with Mars. Mars relies on Earth and the Belt for supplies. I don't think the OPA would have the technological resources to produce the ships we saw take out the Cant and the Donnager.

I think the boarder we saw on The Donnager was a bit of misdirection. He could just have easily had been a dude who saw the futility of humanity's resistance and hoped that playing along with some Ayyys would get him brownie points.

And then we also have to keep in mind that glowy blue shit from the first five minutes of the show that we haven't been directly reminded of since, to my knowledge.

Anyway, I had so many feels when the Cant got asplodes (sidenote: Holden says something about them being atomized without warning, which showed off some of the underlying rules of engagement they have in space to avoid mass casualty [surrender or die essentially]. I love those little details). The whole episode up to then had a very Firefly feel to it. There were so many storylines I wanted to see evolve from the crew. Hell, I was hoping that the rat when Holden checks out the distress signal would eventually get explained. Or chew some wires or something. The construction of the episode definitely led me to their desired reaction at the end. I just sighed thinking about it, god damn it.

Anyway, I'm going to be doing an Aurora LP on another forum, but I'll post some stuff about it here because it's Aurora and why is it so good.

[MarcAFK]

That's one hell of a resolution 1 sensor.

[coleslaw35]

Things went very well for me.

Was there sarcasm in that statement?

Anyway, I'm going to be doing an Aurora LP on another forum, but I'll post some stuff about it here because it's Aurora and why is it so good.

What forum are you doing it on? Is there going to be a backstory to match or is it JUST an LP?

[jocan2003]

Geez i was playing a new game, everything was fine, doing my business like always, slowly colonising working my tech up etc. For once i choose to work more on missiles than before but i didnt have ANY military ships exept a eye-in-the-sky PDC with MASSIVE size 50 active sensor and the like, couple missile launcher too.

HOSTILE TRANSIT DETECTED in sol, wait what?!, thats new.... it also point a system i already went in and i never detected anything at all...... Anyway due to my stupidity i made a ship design and i was kinda proud of, a small 55kton war ship with the best i had researched, but since my research was more focused on logistics/engines/terraforming, the economic side of thing, but decent missiles.

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Ceylon class Battlecruiser    55 000 tons     1439 Crew     17183.15 BP      TCS 1100  TH 5687.5  EM 0
10340 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 15-128     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 67     PPV 152
Maint Life 1.73 Years     MSP 9225    AFR 654%    IFR 9.1%    1YR 3735    5YR 56023    Max Repair 1218.75 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 46   
Hangar Deck Capacity 1000 tons     Magazine 1107   

J55200(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 55200 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
1625 EP Magnetic Fusion Drive (7)    Power 1625    Fuel Use 28.9%    Signature 812.5    Exp 13%
Fuel Capacity 3 500 000 Litres    Range 39.6 billion km   (44 days at full power)

R48/C5 High Power Microwave (10)    Range 360 000km     TS: 10340 km/s     Power 24-5     RM 48    ROF 25        1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
CIWS-200 (10x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 20000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Fire Control S03 180-10000 (1)    Max Range: 360 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 94 92 89 86 83 81 78 75 72
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.25 (4)     Total Power Output 50    Armour 0    Exp 20%

Size 1 Missile Launcher (17)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Size 6 Missile Launcher (50% Reduction) (15)    Missile Size 6    Rate of Fire 150
Missile Fire Control FC52-R20 (1)     Range 52.6m km    Resolution 20
Missile Fire Control FC23-R1 (2)     Range 23.5m km    Resolution 1
Sidewinder MkI Anti-Ship Missile (128)  Speed: 50 000 km/s   End: 14.5m    Range: 43.5m km   WH: 9    Size: 6    TH: 450/270/135
Mosquito MkI Anti-Missile (300)  Speed: 75 000 km/s   End: 6.3m    Range: 28.3m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 725/435/217

Active Search Sensor MR163-R70 (1)     GPS 9800     Range 164.0m km    Resolution 70
Active Search Sensor MR19-R1 (1)     GPS 140     Range 19.6m km    MCR 2.1m km    Resolution 1

ECCM-1 (1)         ECM 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Yeah i know its not the most efficient design but i gave myself the rule to only spawn one ship with the oob... so i had to kinda generalize it, anyway i told myself with that many CIWS nothing will get trought right? Right? RIGHT? well..... nope.... i send my ship in an interception course, the poor gatebuilder didnt stand a chance when they jumped on him.... Then i send orders left and right to move civilian/logistics ship toward earth for protection, they intercept the second gatebuilder... the only 2 i had dammit......Both died but they sent missile from very far away and since they were alone, lots of missiles were lost in both engagement to them.

Just before i intercept them they manage to let of a couple missile voley toward mars where i have 20 terraformers and a morale support ship ( basicly a big ship with recreational facility). I lost 4 terraformers in a very sort period of time then the missile stops.... They are out of missile, i said myself, nice! i will be able to catch them, sadly they are a bit faster than me and my fleet is not really trained... let see where it will lead us! I have a decent range on these weapon so should be that bad right? RIGHT? NOPE!... i let off 2 full salvo on each contact, 2 of the same class and another one wich doesnt have sensor active. Thats 6 salvoes in the aid of 15 missile each.... BAM all of them died to point blank defense..., BLAM and again again, NO MISSILE went trought their defense.... Alright time to knife fight them....

By the time i can finaly use my weapons im already under energy fire most likely laser and my weapon reload only every 25 seconds and he god damn shoot every 5 secs!.... My armor is holding up, i manage to score a decent couple hits but then i never realised one of them went and did

29th June 2077 00:15:46,Sol,Ceylon 001 hit by 936 points of damage from Ramming Attack

Yup.... try to survive a hit like that when your armor is already beaten up....... Suffice to say the only hope to stop the attack was a total disaster... At least they only have 2 more ships in the system and there is 17? or 16 terraformers near them.... Time to rethink and militarise properly seeing how unsuccessfull the attempt was XD.

[iceball3]

That damage! That's 30 squares deep of armor penetration on a clean slate of armor wide enough to take it wholly! And that's not even including shock damage!

[Flying Dice]

Did you stumble into the Garden of Kadesh or something? 

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Hoo boy. Okay, so those stealth cruisers I sent out to deal with three Invader ships ran into five instead, of two classes. The cloaks worked very well, they didn't notice my ships until I popped an active sensor on. That's when I got the unpleasant surprise of the two-class pair having 600m km+ ranges on their actives, essentially preventing my little attack group from re-stealthing. At least one of those ships was also a nasty AMM platform; not only did only two single missiles from ~250 fired make it through (though those two hits did cripple the target), but I was taking in excess of 240 hits every volley after misses and PD fire. Suffice it to say that the cruisers died and the passive scout bugged out.

That was in Macharia.

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I've been popping into both there and Verun from time to time; Macharia's got two more ships now, and Verun is at something like 20-30 targets. Meanwhile, bad news, my scouts exploring galactic South ran into Swarm in Tamahal, a dead-end system. The good news is that that nebula is a Level 3, so as long as they're penned up in there the Soldiers are basically useless.

So what I needed was a compromise ship, something that could close with the known threat in Macharia and kill it, keep the system clear until the wormhole closes, and then head down to protect the colony in Konor and clean up the Swarm. What I came up with was this:

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Conqueror class Battleship    70,000 tons     1632 Crew     32508.8 BP      TCS 1400  TH 10000  EM 15000
7142 km/s     Armour 20-151     Shields 500-300     Sensors 24/24/0/0     Damage Control Rating 54     PPV 372.4
Maint Life 0.96 Years     MSP 7111    AFR 1599%    IFR 22.2%    1YR 7424    5YR 111358    Max Repair 3000 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 120 months    Spare Berths 0   
Cryogenic Berths 200   

Ventris & Sicarius 2500 EP Magnetic Fusion Drive (4)    Power 2500    Fuel Use 84.85%    Signature 2500    Exp 20%
Fuel Capacity 11,000,000 Litres    Range 33.3 billion km   (54 days at full power)
Taurus Defence Industries Xi R300/360 Shields (100)   Total Fuel Cost  1,500 Litres per hour  (36,000 per day)

Barak Technology 52cm C6 Far X-Ray Laser (1)    Range 480,000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 71-6     RM 8    ROF 60        71 71 71 71 71 71 71 71 63 56
Twin Barak Technology 15cm C6 Far X-Ray Laser Turret (24x2)    Range 480,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 12-12     RM 8    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 4
Valefar Incorporated Fire Control S06 240-24000 (6)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 24000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Kalick-Endymion Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (30)     Total Power Output 300    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Torgaddon-Lupercal Megacorp Active Search Sensor MR72-R1 (2)     GPS 300     Range 72.0m km    MCR 7.8m km    Resolution 1
Torgaddon-Lupercal Megacorp Active Search Sensor MR3943-R30 (1)     GPS 90000     Range 3,943.6m km    Resolution 30
Sotha-Hezekiah Thermal Sensor TH1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km
Sotha-Hezekiah EM Detection Sensor EM1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km

ECCM-3 (6)         ECM 30Supported by this:

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Divine Right class Support Vessel    50,000 tons     1088 Crew     8882.1 BP      TCS 1000  TH 2500  EM 0
2500 km/s    JR 5-500     Armour 10-120     Shields 0-0     Sensors 24/24/0/0     Damage Control Rating 99     PPV 0
Maint Life 4.96 Years     MSP 20993    AFR 202%    IFR 2.8%    1YR 1420    5YR 21299    Max Repair 3250 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 60 months    Flight Crew Berths 0   
Hangar Deck Capacity 2000 tons     Troop Capacity: 2 Companies   

Carabia Heavy Industries J70000(5-500) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 70000 tons    Distance 500k km     Squadron Size 5
Justinian-Stubbs Aerospace 312.5 EP Commercial Magnetic Fusion Drive (8)    Power 312.5    Fuel Use 3.98%    Signature 312.5    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 10,000,000 Litres    Range 904.5 billion km   (4187 days at full power)

Zoren & Ventris Techsystems CIWS-320 (5x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Sotha-Hezekiah Thermal Sensor TH1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km
Sotha-Hezekiah EM Detection Sensor EM1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km

ECM 30Which carries two of these:

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Boots class Assault Shuttle    1,000 tons     22 Crew     412.5 BP      TCS 20  TH 24  EM 0
10000 km/s     Armour 5-8     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0.7 Years     MSP 26    AFR 80%    IFR 1.1%    1YR 37    5YR 556    Max Repair 125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months    Spare Berths 3   
Cryo Drop Capacity: 1 Company   

Balian Space & Security 100 EP MFD-F (2)    Power 100    Fuel Use 166.31%    Signature 12    Exp 20%
Fuel Capacity 20,000 Litres    Range 2.2 billion km   (60 hours at full power)

Zoren & Ventris Techsystems CIWS-320 (1x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
ECM 10
I had to make compromises on the BB's drives--anything fast enough to keep up with fleeing Invaders wouldn't be able to operate more than one system outside Sol, and anything highly fuel-efficient would be too slow to close with threats. So I went with that. One Divine Right grouped with every four Conquerors to squadron-jump them places, provide refueling and resupply, and launch boarders. Lasers are best against Swarm Queens and at least one Invader combat class is confirmed to not have shields, so that's that. First group's just waiting on about one and a half Conquerors to finish building. Other than that all I've got is a little group of 54 year old frigates keeping the colonists happy and the OWPs.

Thoughts?

[iceball3]

Dang, I need to actually get myself deeper into a campaign to actually give advice on that matter, argh!
Also, did some cursory SM testing (by cursory, I mean i spent 10x as much time setting up the SM save to actually have task groups and whatnot so i could actually test some things darnit) and found out something neat: sensor buoys which have secondary missile stages inside them seem to persist after the missile stages are launched! This should prove to be quite interesting for future designs, yes, for instance, allowing the minefield act as an active sensor bead even after they've launched.
Also confirmed that thermal sensors do not in fact discriminate triggers based on civ for the missile stages, well, i think, so it looks like your minefields are going to be extra-visible to EM sensors unless you stick them on jump points for ease of use.

[Rince Wind]

So, I have this asteroid with acceptable gravity. I added an atmosphere, which is breathable according to the system generation window and the temperature is fine as well. I still have the base colony cost of 2. Can asteroids get to 0.0, or do you always need infrastructure, no matter what?
It's not that this would be an important part, it doesn't even have minerals in a system where I terraformed a couple planets/moons to 0.0, ut I would have liked to have the colony there.

[Flying Dice]

Are you absolutely certain that the oxygen level is both in the acceptable 0.1-0.3 atm range and less than 30% of the total atmospheric pressure? That's hands-down the number one reason I see for col cost 2.0 persisting after terraforming.

[Rince Wind]

Yes, 26% oxygen at 0.14 atm.
Is there a minimum atm pressure? Nothing's listed and 0.47 seems plenty for an asteroid.

[Dorsidwarf]

Yes, 26% oxygen at 0.14 atm.
Is there a minimum atm pressure? Nothing's listed and 0.47 seems plenty for an asteroid.

I think that you need a hydrosphere for CC0.0

[Rince Wind]

So...just add water? Because I have planets without water that are just fine. The people there, they live on imported water? I guess?

[Flying Dice]

Nope.

[Lord Shonus]

The answer is the same as it was when you asked it earlier.

Another question: Will adding water to a planet via terraforming installations cause the planet's hydrosphere to increase in extent?

No.

[MarcAFK]

Call me crazy but aren't asteroids broken so you can't colonise them even if the gravity is high enough?
Pretty sure it's being patched in 7.2