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[LoSboccacc]

If you only bring 150 AMMs for the whole fleet, you can just leave them at home, imo. (not quite, of course, you can last against a few ships with them)
I'd add a dedicated escort so you wouldn't need any AMMs on the Mk. II cruiser. You also save up on the launchers, the fire controls and, depending on your configuration, on the AMM sensors.

Also iirc not all ships need active sensors and jump drives (but you'd risk to be bilnd if anything bad happens) you might want to have a variant with smaller actives and more whatever.

Also depending on the tech level gauss turrets might cope better than ciws as they will fire at missiles even if shot at another ship of the same tg, while ciws only cover current ship

[EuchreJack]

Actually, it looks like as of 7.10 you can:

Populated Asteroids

Currently, all asteroids are listed as low gravity and unsuitable for populations (except for automated mines, tracking stations, etc.) unless they use underground infrastructure or orbital habitats.

As someone pointed out on the forum, some asteroids have gravity that falls within the habitable range. This is more apparent since the human default gravity range was expanded.

Therefore in v7.10, asteroids with a gravity of at least 0.02G are treated like any other body when assessing colony cost. So now you will be able to establish normal populations on larger asteroids. They still won't have atmospheres but those could be added via terraforming.

This will also make the bioengineering of low gravity species much more useful.

Oh wow is my version out of date.  I don't know what happened.

[Alastar]

Careful when you get to AMM range, those will probably be able to get through your defenses. Similarly, if they still have missiles left at this point, when you are close enough that their missiles hit you in their first 5s of movement you won't be able to intercept them (except probably with CIWS) because the turn order has them be fired, move, and hit before sensors happen.

I believe this is incorrect, CIWS seem to work flawlessly at point blank range or during jump blindness.

[coleslaw35]

What are some ways I can improve performance? So far, I've turned off the orbital motion for asteroids so that I could speed up the turns, but what else can I do other than turning off orbits for stuff? I was ok with turning off orbits for asteroids, but I would really prefer to not have to turn off planet orbits, but since it's taking about 10 seconds to run a 5 day turn so I'm kinda leaning towards turning them off too.

I don't really want to raise the production cycle thing either.

[LoSboccacc]

What are some ways I can improve performance? So far, I've turned off the orbital motion for asteroids so that I could speed up the turns, but what else can I do other than turning off orbits for stuff? I was ok with turning off orbits for asteroids, but I would really prefer to not have to turn off planet orbits, but since it's taking about 10 seconds to run a 5 day turn so I'm kinda leaning towards turning them off too.

I don't really want to raise the production cycle thing either.

In the low right corner of the launch window you can neuter npr detection checks so they don't fight.

[coleslaw35]

What are some ways I can improve performance? So far, I've turned off the orbital motion for asteroids so that I could speed up the turns, but what else can I do other than turning off orbits for stuff? I was ok with turning off orbits for asteroids, but I would really prefer to not have to turn off planet orbits, but since it's taking about 10 seconds to run a 5 day turn so I'm kinda leaning towards turning them off too.

I don't really want to raise the production cycle thing either.

In the low right corner of the launch window you can neuter npr detection checks so they don't fight.

Is that my only option? I'd actually prefer for them to fight each other lol.

EDIT: What's the difference between "Automatic without player presence" and "none without player presence"?

[LoSboccacc]

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7255.msg77088#msg77088
There is the opposite as well. They always see each other so it skips all computations about visibility

[coleslaw35]

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7255.msg77088#msg77088
There is the opposite as well. They always see each other so it skips all computations about visibility

That link doesn't work for me.

[LoSboccacc]

Spoiler: from link (click to show/hide)

Currently, detection takes place in any system where there are units or populations from two different races. Quite often this will be two alien races and the player race is uninvolved.

In v6.50 there will be three options for detection.

1) Existing detection rules

2) Detection will only take place in systems where the player race is present as well as at least one other race. No detection will take place when a system contains only alien races.

3) Normal detection will only take place in systems where the player race is present as well as at least one other race. In systems with two or more alien races but no player races, detection will be automatically successful.

The advantage of 2) is that it will be the quickest of the three options and there will be no combat unless the player is present - no more short turns caused by NPR vs. NPR. The downside is that this is less realistic and you will not discover wreckage from alien wars.

The advantage of 3) is that the sensor phase is quicker than 1) and is more realistic than 2), although still not as realistic as 1). The downside is that you will get more NPR vs NPR battles than you do now (although fewer interrupts as NPRs move in and out of each other's sensor range).

[Metalax]

Careful when you get to AMM range, those will probably be able to get through your defenses. Similarly, if they still have missiles left at this point, when you are close enough that their missiles hit you in their first 5s of movement you won't be able to intercept them (except probably with CIWS) because the turn order has them be fired, move, and hit before sensors happen.

I believe this is incorrect, CIWS seem to work flawlessly at point blank range or during jump blindness.

Yep, CIWS don't rely on a ships normal actives or firecontrols, so they don't get effected by jump sickness or being inside of a single increment's range. It is one of the main bonuses of using them. On the other hand, they will only function for the specific ship they are mounted on, leaving your ships more vulnerable to being focused down.

[EuchreJack]

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7255.msg77088#msg77088
There is the opposite as well. They always see each other so it skips all computations about visibility

Seeing how the NPC empires operate, alternating "Never Detect" with "Always Detect" should lead to lots of wrecked ships.

[coleslaw35]

*snip snap, I need a nap*

Cool. Thank you.

As a side note, The People's Republic of Zuckerman has granted the Meme Regime trade access!

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[Lightningfalcon]

Quick question. Do turrets require a separate beam fire control system? Trying to set up some anti missile systems in case I run out of anti ship missiles, or my sensor ships get blown apart.
Oh yeah, quick tip from something I learned. If your only long range sensors are on your sensor ship, don't have your sensor ship be the largest target.

[coleslaw35]

Quick question. Do turrets require a separate beam fire control system? Trying to set up some anti missile systems in case I run out of anti ship missiles, or my sensor ships get blown apart.
Oh yeah, quick tip from something I learned. If your only long range sensors are on your sensor ship, don't have your sensor ship be the largest target.

Speaking of fire controls, if I have two lasers on a ship, do I need one or two fire controls?

[jocan2003]

Quick question. Do turrets require a separate beam fire control system? Trying to set up some anti missile systems in case I run out of anti ship missiles, or my sensor ships get blown apart.
Oh yeah, quick tip from something I learned. If your only long range sensors are on your sensor ship, don't have your sensor ship be the largest target.

Oh quite the opposite, make it the bigguest target but SPAM defense and CIWS on it like crazy . And armor.

Personal i dont really like that because i just love the combat grade bonus when you soak up the damage, so i usualy make very few ship but really big one! with much more defense than offense and big engines. Most of the time i dont even have missiles, not because i dont like them but because i usually run out of them before i get in close range or cannot finish them off. My ships never goes under 8km/s. Hell look at this monster...

Artemis Class

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Artemis class Battlestar    175 000 tons     4419 Crew     31942.7 BP      TCS 3500  TH 35000  EM 900
10000 km/s     Armour 10-278     Shields 30-450     Sensors 165/270/0/0     Damage Control Rating 432     PPV 240
Maint Life 5.16 Years     MSP 38874    AFR 737%    IFR 10.2%    1YR 2439    5YR 36587    Max Repair 945 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 86   
Hangar Deck Capacity 10000 tons     

1000 EP Magnetic Fusion Drive (35)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 8.59%    Signature 1000    Exp 8%
Fuel Capacity 10 000 000 Litres    Range 119.7 billion km   (138 days at full power)
Epsilon R450/360 Shields (10)   Total Fuel Cost  150 Litres per hour  (3 600 per day)

15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (40)    Range 240 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
CIWS-250 (19x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
25cm Railgun V6/C8 (10x4)    Range 300 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 15-8     RM 6    ROF 10        5 5 5 5 5 5 4 3 3 2
Fire Control S04 192-10000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 384 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.2 (14)     Total Power Output 168    Armour 0    Exp 16%

Active Search Sensor MR972-R100 (40%) (1)     GPS 54000     Range 972.0m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor MR97-R1 (40%) (1)     GPS 540     Range 97.2m km    MCR 10.6m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH15-165 (1)     Sensitivity 165     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  165m km
EM Detection Sensor EM15-270 (40%) (1)     Sensitivity 270     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  270m km

ECCM-2 (3)         ECM 20

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Athena Class

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Athena class Battlestar    175 000 tons     4705 Crew     32690.7 BP      TCS 3500  TH 35000  EM 900
10000 km/s     Armour 10-278     Shields 30-450     Sensors 165/270/0/0     Damage Control Rating 441     PPV 352
Maint Life 6.04 Years     MSP 40808    AFR 718%    IFR 10%    1YR 1919    5YR 28778    Max Repair 945 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 152   
Magazine 1217   

1000 EP Magnetic Fusion Drive (35)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 8.59%    Signature 1000    Exp 8%
Fuel Capacity 10 000 000 Litres    Range 119.7 billion km   (138 days at full power)
Epsilon R450/360 Shields (10)   Total Fuel Cost  150 Litres per hour  (3 600 per day)

15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (40)    Range 240 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
CIWS-250 (19x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
25cm Railgun V6/C8 (10x4)    Range 300 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 15-8     RM 6    ROF 10        5 5 5 5 5 5 4 3 3 2
Fire Control S04 192-10000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 384 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.2 (18)     Total Power Output 216    Armour 0    Exp 16%

Size 1 Missile Launcher (12)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
Size 5 Missile Launcher 30s (20)    Missile Size 5    Rate of Fire 30
Missile Fire Control FC19-R1 (3)     Range 19.4m km    Resolution 1
Missile Fire Control FC194-R100 (1)     Range 194.4m km    Resolution 100
Mosquito MkIII (210)  Speed: 75 000 km/s   End: 0.1m    Range: 0.3m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 475/285/142
Sidewinder 5 MkIII (200)  Speed: 90 000 km/s   End: 8.9m    Range: 48.1m km   WH: 4    Size: 5    TH: 390/234/117

Active Search Sensor MR972-R100 (40%) (1)     GPS 54000     Range 972.0m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor MR97-R1 (40%) (1)     GPS 540     Range 97.2m km    MCR 10.6m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH15-165 (1)     Sensitivity 165     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  165m km
EM Detection Sensor EM15-270 (40%) (1)     Sensitivity 270     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  270m km

ECCM-2 (3)         ECM 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

And my fighter

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Viper MkII class Fighter    200 tons     5 Crew     226.5 BP      TCS 4  TH 75  EM 0
37500 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 15    5YR 221    Max Repair 98 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.3 months    Spare Berths 2   

75 EP Magnetic Fusion Drive (2)    Power 75    Fuel Use 462.98%    Signature 37.5    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 Litres    Range 1.0 billion km   (7 hours at full power)

Gauss Cannon R4-17 (1x5)    Range 40 000km     TS: 37500 km/s     Accuracy Modifier 17%     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.5 60-6250 H40 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 25000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

Im quite proud of my designs so far and since their size are soo massiev the upkeep is a monster on gallicite and im kinda low on supplies on all front for this mineral so i made massive 175k hangar capacity PDC where they *dock* when not in use stopping the maintenance clock and the mineral maintenance upkeep.

With my fighter if there is too many missiles coming ( would need crapton of them to bypass my CIWS ), i can always make them escort at about 30km away from the fleet and they act and point defense too! But so far i never had to even deploy the Mosquito A-MM

Suffice to say i only deploy these monster for attack or defense campain they go in blow crap up and come back immediatly. I have refueling point in about nearly all system or unmanned colony with fuel depot/harvester combo in all system wich has sorium only one doesnt have any but its in a dead end system so i didnt bother.