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[Dutchling]

I can make a public Dropbox folder. Will give you the link in a minute.

Here you go.

[FritzPL]

Alright, so what is it exactly that I need to build two ships at one shipyard? I'm talking about building both geosurvey and gravsurvey ships at a shipyard that I got tooled with a geosurv ship.

[My Name is Immaterial]

Each shipyard can have only one ship design at a time.

[FritzPL]

Aye, but if one shipyard is tooled with- you know what, here you go.

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Caravan class Colony Ship    57,050 tons     278 Crew     2463 BP      TCS 1141  TH 600  EM 0
525 km/s     Armour 1-132     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 27    Max Repair 37.5 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 2   
Cryogenic Berths 200000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 10   

Iron Horseshoe Mk I Engine (4)    Power 150    Fuel Use 10.61%    Signature 150    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres    Range 14.8 billion km   (327 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

A shipyard tooled with this ship is able to build this one as well:

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Mule class Cargo Ship    56,750 tons     88 Crew     507.2 BP      TCS 1135  TH 600  EM 0
528 km/s     Armour 1-131     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 6    Max Repair 37.5 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 2   
Cargo 50000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 10   

Iron Horseshoe Mk I Engine (4)    Power 150    Fuel Use 10.61%    Signature 150    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres    Range 14.9 billion km   (327 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

Nevermind the obvious mistakes I made in those designs(albeit I can not see them); when I select Caravan in Class Design, then go to DAC/Rank/Info tab, under 'Eligible additional classes if this is a primary class for a shipyard' there is the Mule.

What is the equasion for this?

[forsaken1111]

Each shipyard can have only one ship design at a time.

I thought you could build other designs which do not substantially deviate from the set design. As in a variant with a tiny difference in sensors or something.

I may be misremembering though.

[FritzPL]

It's not a tiny difference: Caravan has a cost of almost 2500 BP, while the Mule only requires 500 BP.

[Metalax]

In order to be able to build multiple designs at a shipyard, the refit cost to go from the design that the yard is tooled for to the second design must be under 20% of the cost to build the design the yard is tooled for. In most cases you won't be able to get a gravsurvey ship to fit into that window even if that is the only component changed from your geosurvey design as it is an expensive component and will likely put it out of that range.

[FritzPL]

So I would have to strap on enough components on both classes to make the sensors cost less than 20% of the refit cost?
Do compact sensors cost less?

[Dutchling]

Add jump engines. You really don't want survey ships without them anyway.

[FritzPL]

It's always there - I don't design a survey/scout ship of any kind without a jump engine.

[forsaken1111]

Add jump engines. You really don't want survey ships without them anyway.

I use a carrier ship with a half dozen surveyors.

[Dutchling]

Add jump engines. You really don't want survey ships without them anyway.

I use a carrier ship with a half dozen surveyors.

I tend to start surveying long before I get carriers though.

[forsaken1111]

Add jump engines. You really don't want survey ships without them anyway.

I use a carrier ship with a half dozen surveyors.

I tend to start surveying long before I get carriers though.

'carrier' is just a ship with an internal bay. You can get them fairly early on.

I turtle like a madman though. It is years before I leave Sol

[FritzPL]

To each his own, I suppouse. I find the starting shipyards are enough to let me immediately start building early survey ships just so I get Sol all geo'd up, then I make a Mk II of those with a jump engine and more or less important improvements.

Ha, I'm by no means a quick expander, but usually by year 10 I got an extrasolar colony.

[forsaken1111]

To each his own, I suppouse. I find the starting shipyards are enough to let me immediately start building early survey ships just so I get Sol all geo'd up, then I make a Mk II of those with a jump engine and more or less important improvements.

Ha, I'm by no means a quick expander, but usually by year 10 I got an extrasolar colony.

Oh I do that. Sol is surveyed by small ships with no jump drives at all, and laughable technology.