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[etgfrog]

Hm...I guess it was their warning of leave the system because after about 2-3 days they went hostile

[Culise]

Hm...I guess it was their warning of leave the system because after about 2-3 days they went hostile

On the bright side, now you have an excuse to go in and crush them in force.

In seriousness, NPCs don't like it when you fly ships through systems where they have a colony without a treaty; it reduces relations, and if they get low enough, they'll turn hostile.  This is true even if you don't know they have a colony in that system, because they don't know that you don't know.  At a guess, they must have had a settlement or even their homeworld in that system you were scouting. 

[FritzPL]

In my experience every early encounter with a NPR is an instant war, because I never pack sensors that are big enough to pick up a signal from an alien ship until I get face-to-face with them. And they don't really like that, so they blow me up. at least thats what precursors do

[Culise]

In my experience every early encounter with a NPR is an instant war, because I never pack sensors that are big enough to pick up a signal from an alien ship until I get face-to-face with them. And they don't really like that, so they blow me up. at least thats what precursors do

Indeed.  I took to designing light planetary scouts on the FAC scale (preferably 500 ton, just so I could fit two per ship) that dock with my gravsensor-equipped heavier scouts just because if I ran into aliens, whether NPRs or spoilers, they almost always hit the FACs first just because those were closer.  Certainly, losing less than a dozen people and a single FAC costs me a lot less than losing a 3000-7000 ton scoutship, in spite of some inefficiencies in exploration and micromanagement that resulted. 

[etgfrog]

Well...on one side my military is still horrible(I think) close range ships...I kind of like quad gauss turrets though, almost to the point where I'm thinking of using nothing but tiny gauss turrets on ships and cannons on fighters.

My scoutships tend to be my geo/grav survey ships which are 500 tons or less.Tend to have a good range and can be made at fighter factories.

That...is a really good idea, saves the hassle of having a shipyard building them

[Dutchling]

I thought gauss was point defence only o.O

At least, if you're actually intend to use them.

[Graknorke]

How do early-game ship design? I'm pretty sure that's where I keep falling over. My sensors are always shit and unsuited for whatever I want them to do, and the speed is like an arthritic sloth climbing up the down escalator. I'm guessing it's a mix of needing to know what I'm doing and also getting the right balance between researching the tech and actually building ships.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I thought gauss was point defence only o.O

At least, if you're actually intend to use them.

Technically yes. Dicking around in is a major past time for the players though, so making super gauss ships isn't that uncommon. Besides, with full guass ships you'll have nothing to fear from missiles.

[LoSboccacc]

early ship just gets slaughtered. at early stages is difficult just to get the missile to hit anything, and almost impossible to get point defence working

you can go with lot of armor, two stage missile that unite long range with some decent speed at the end, and one in 4 sensor ship so that missile ship only have to ship the fire control.

still, inefficient as hell and you will still have ship knocked down the sky as flies. consider having the ability to launch at least salvo of 40+ missiles, when combined, or you won't even be able to saturate enemy defences.

[gman8181]

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Nice, you guys make this so much easier than the wiki.

Is there a way to change military shipyards to civilian and vice versa? What about scrapping shipyards, buildings, etc?

[Flying Dice]

Something to keep in mind: a neutral NPR's relation rating with you will steadily tick downward for as long as you have ships in systems that they consider to be theirs, which is IIRC one of the the main reasons why having multiple NPRs on one world/in one system would fail, as they'd inevitably end up nuking each other.

Another thing to remember with NPRs is that if you find one that's in contact with Swarm, you want to cut them off as soon as possible, or they'll keep feeding them ships.

I thought gauss was point defence only o.O

At least, if you're actually intend to use them.

Technically yes. Dicking around in is a major past time for the players though, so making super gauss ships isn't that uncommon. Besides, with full guass ships you'll have nothing to fear from missiles.

One thing you can do is use them for heavy fighters, though frankly reduced-size lasers tend to be better for that. As mentioned, of course, some people play with gauss-armed ships for flavor purposes.

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Nice, you guys make this so much easier than the wiki.

Is there a way to change military shipyards to civilian and vice versa? What about scrapping shipyards, buildings, etc?

No, and no, unless I'm misremembering something obscure. You can, however, scrap scavenged ship modules, though of course you should first check to make sure they don't give you RP towards any new techs.

[Karlito]

Yeah, can't scrap existing buildings for minerals, but it doesn't cost anything to just have them around. You can delete them with Spacemaster Mode and then just give yourself minerals though.

[Flying Dice]

If you're troubled by the costs of operating a specific type of facility, you can shut down production for them in one of the planet's tabs as well.

[etgfrog]

So a thought came to mind...what about creating a mothership that is capable of transporting a decent chunk of population and industry...then I started to look at the cost 

But it does bring up an interesting question in my mind...can multiple tugs pull a single object if they are in the same task group?

Different question...can you send 2 ships after an enemy ship, one with a tractor beam to slow the ship down and the other with a boarding party?

[MarcAFK]

Re: the discussions about terraforming capabilities, this design is part of a large movable mothership based on warhammer 40k, someone over in the aurora forums created after 100 years playing a start with 5 billion population, no cheating was involved, it seems that with the 100 research centers you start with you can easily get to top tech level in 100 years, also it only took a few hours of playing quickly to get there.

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Ramilies - Logistic Section class Starfort    150,000,000 tons     646395 Crew     4871863 BP      TCS 3000000  TH 19125000  EM 0
6375 km/s     Armour 12-25148     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/50     Damage Control Rating 26     PPV 0
MSP 528    Max Repair 500 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 60 months    Spare Berths 10   
Cargo 44250000    Cryogenic Berths 30000000    Passengers 482500    Cargo Handling Multiplier 120000    Tractor Beam     
Recreational Facilities
Fuel Harvester: 15330 modules producing 2146200000 litres per annum
Terraformer: 456 module(s) producing 3.648 atm per annum

1250 EP Commercial Photonic Drive (15300)    Power 1250    Fuel Use 0.16%    Signature 1250    Exp 2%
Fuel Capacity 2,141,700,000 Litres    Range 1606.3 billion km   (2916 days at full power)

CIWS-1000 (100x16)    Range 1000 km     TS: 100000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Phased Geological Sensors (10)   50 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for colonization and resupply purposes

Yes, 3.648 Atmospheres per year, it can literally strip all the oxygen out of an inhabited planet in 5 days. Well, maybe a month if people are living in 30% oxygen, but it's not recommended to do such a thing.
I have noted that the 150 megatonne factory module can only carry 400 factories, and would take 240 years to produce a copy of itself at 6.7 million build points, but 400 factories using top construction research can double in 1.5 years, after 7.5 years making more factories you would have the production to make a new starfort in 7.5 years, however with only 30 million population to run the factories there is a slight labour problem, population only grows somewhat more than 5% at that small population level, so you would be better producing training facilities and making construction brigades which cost only a little more than factories. It's far less efficient to carry brigades around though.