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[Zeebie]

If I build a FAC with a missile launcher but no magazine, will the missile launcher be reloaded when the FAC docks with its mothership?  And do parasite ships like FAC and fighters need engineering spaces at all?

[Karlito]

If I build a FAC with a missile launcher but no magazine, will the missile launcher be reloaded when the FAC docks with its mothership?  And do parasite ships like FAC and fighters need engineering spaces at all?

Yes, the launcher can be reloaded in a hangar, or from a colony with maintenance facilities. You should ideally invest research in reduced size launchers and use box launchers if you don't want to use a magazine. There will be a time delay though, reloading isn't instantaneous.

Strictly speaking, no ship needs engineering space, though your fighters may explode as soon as they leave the hangar without one. You can research smaller size engineering space. The "fighter" sized one is only like 5 tons and is sufficient for a ship that will spend most of its time in a hangar.

[Flying Dice]

Re: larger fuel tanks. Finally. Thank you, Steve.

[LoSboccacc]

I can't figure how to design ship at all

The standard average 10kton/6000kms ion cruiser ended up with 2 lasers, one month deployment time and 7 days of fuel....

What speed are you aiming now at ion era?

[Metalax]

Some initial designs from playing around with this update. These all use my standard 25% tonnage as engines. The freighter is using 50% power engine, the victories 100% power engine.

Standard freighter

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Tribal class Freighter    40,000 tons     171 Crew     1437 BP      TCS 800  TH 1200  EM 0
1500 km/s     Armour 8-104     Shields 0-0     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 22    Max Repair 75 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 2   
Cargo 25000    Cryogenic Berths 800    Cargo Handling Multiplier 25   

S50 300EP Commercial Ion Drive (4)    Power 300    Fuel Use 4.42%    Signature 300    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 1,000,000 Litres    Range 101.8 billion km   (785 days at full power)

Active Search Sensor MR23-R100 (1)     GPS 2100     Range 23.1m km    Resolution 100
Thermal Sensor TH1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

Note that there is a new cargo hold size, five times the size of the old one, and that the old cargo holds have been renamed as small cargo holds. No longer need to remind people to make 5 hold freighters for moving installations.

Anti-missile destroyer leader

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Victory-Leader class Destroyer Leader    10,000 tons     290 Crew     4220.6 BP      TCS 200  TH 144  EM 0
3000 km/s     Armour 5-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 7     PPV 8
Maint Life 1.58 Years     MSP 1846    AFR 114%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 858    5YR 12870    Max Repair 1838 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 152    Cryogenic Berths 400   

Military S50 600EP Ion Drive (1)    Power 600    Fuel Use 25%    Signature 144    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 750,000 Litres    Range 54.0 billion km   (208 days at full power)

S1 RoF10 Missile Launcher (8)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
S16 MFC FC110-R1 Ms6-12 (40%) (2)     Range 110.9m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (152)  Speed: 36,000 km/s   End: 5.9m    Range: 12.7m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 348 / 208 / 104

S50 ASS MR115-R1 Ms6-12.5 (40%) (1)     GPS 1050     Range 115.5m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


Anti-missile destroyer escort

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Victory class Destroyer Escort    10,000 tons     290 Crew     3724.2 BP      TCS 200  TH 144  EM 0
3000 km/s     Armour 5-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 7     PPV 16
Maint Life 2.29 Years     MSP 1629    AFR 114%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 421    5YR 6313    Max Repair 600 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 304    Cryogenic Berths 400   

Military S50 600EP Ion Drive (1)    Power 600    Fuel Use 25%    Signature 144    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 750,000 Litres    Range 54.0 billion km   (208 days at full power)

S1 RoF10 Missile Launcher (16)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
S16 MFC FC110-R1 Ms6-12 (40%) (4)     Range 110.9m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (304)  Speed: 36,000 km/s   End: 5.9m    Range: 12.7m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 348 / 208 / 104

S2 ASS MR4-R1 Ms6-0.5 (40%) (1)     GPS 42     Range 4.6m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The higher power engines really, really burn through fuel fast. Using 50% increase, the most you could increase it by under the old system, cuts the fuel supply on the victory to 50 days. The two times power on the victory burns through the fuel in 18 days. Using the three times power on the victory causes it to burn through it's fuel in just 4 days.

They also increase the maintainance repair cost for the engine by the same amount that the power is increased. This can lead to needing to put many more engineering spaces on the design.

Also note that, if you want to maintain the same hull size, you will need to fiddle about a little to accomodate the extra crewquarters needed for the extra crew of the higher power engines.

Much smaller crew sizes, so a lot less strain from using the maximum racial trained crew.

First attempt at an anti-missile design in the new system.
Warhead 8 Agility 64 Fuel efficiency 0.5

0.125 Warhead
0.075 Fuel
0.3 Agility
0.5 Engines

Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (multi engine)

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Missile Size: 1 MSP  (0.05 HS)     Warhead: 1    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 29
Speed: 36000 km/s    Engine Endurance: 2 minutes   Range: 4.2m km
Cost Per Missile: 1.084
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 1044%   3k km/s 348%   5k km/s 208.8%   10k km/s 104.4%
Materials Required:    0.25x Tritanium   0.834x Gallicite   Fuel x187.5

Development Cost for Project: 108RP

Made using 5 of these S0.1 0.36 EP Ion Drive

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Engine Power: 0.36      Fuel Use Per Hour: 1148.2 Litres
Fuel Consumption per Engine Power Hour: 3189.441 Litres
Engine Size: 0.1 MSP      Cost: 0.09
Thermal Signature: 0.36
Materials Required: 2x Tritanium  0.09x Gallicite
Development Cost for Project: 18RP

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Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (single engine)

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Missile Size: 1 MSP  (0.05 HS)     Warhead: 1    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 29
Speed: 36000 km/s    Engine Endurance: 6 minutes   Range: 12.7m km
Cost Per Missile: 1.084
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 1044%   3k km/s 348%   5k km/s 208.8%   10k km/s 104.4%
Materials Required:    0.25x Tritanium   0.834x Gallicite   Fuel x187.5

Development Cost for Project: 108RP

Made using 1 S0.5 1.8 EP Ion Drive

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Engine Power: 1.8      Fuel Use Per Hour: 1912.46 Litres
Fuel Consumption per Engine Power Hour: 1062.478 Litres
Engine Size: 0.5 MSP      Cost: 0.45
Thermal Signature: 1.8
Materials Required: 0.25x Tritanium  0.45x Gallicite
Development Cost for Project: 90RP

Using a single engine gives three times the range.

What might be a good idea for designing missiles now is to produce a size 0.1 engine at each new engine tech level, and use that to determine what size engine you need to achieve your desired speed while allowing for the fact that the range will be increased when you design a single engine for the missile at the required size.

One thing to note, you no longer need to spend months/years researching a seperate missile engine tech before you can use the new engines in your missile designs, as soon as you reach a new engine level it is available for use. Research costs of the missile engine designs are low enough that unless you are making a huge number of them at each engine tech level, you are saving vast amounts of research that can now be used for other things.

[Gamerlord]

Argh goddammit my current game was just getting good! Welp, off to find the new version...

EDIT: Oh my god, has the option for Warhammer 40k Commander themes always been there?

[Metalax]

No, it was added this update. Although you have always been able to import your own lists.

[Flying Dice]

I'm really liking these changes, enough that I might start playing more of my campaigns with a focus on micromanagement of logistics rather than setting up tactical-level conflict. Though I haven't seen the option to turn the crew morale stuff off at all.

[LoSboccacc]

I'm a bit disappointed to have the updates screen (ctrl+f3) separated from the new! Improved! Overview screen (or whatever it's called)

now I have to keep three windows up to see what's going on.


It has to be said, that the fixes to the auto-turns are !!F**** AWESOME!!

[Girlinhat]

Oh, Aurora finally updated?  I may have to try this out then...

[LoSboccacc]

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Discovery class Science Vessel    1,000 tons     26 Crew     244.8 BP      TCS 20  TH 7.5  EM 0
750 km/s     Armour 1-8     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/1     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Life 8.56 Years     MSP 153    AFR 8%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 4    5YR 56    Max Repair 100 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 36 months    Spare Berths 1   

15 EP Support-Class Ion Drive (1)    Power 15    Fuel Use 2.37%    Signature 7.5    Exp 2%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 75.9 billion km   (1172 days at full power)

Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

I love all the leave/maintenance/power/fuel tradeoff that have to be done in order to tune each design to its purpose

[gimlet]

1 spare berth for alien chicks the captain picks up ftw!

[LoSboccacc]

italians, we have a long tradition of sailing

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[peskyninja]

Guys, I'm in dire need of help, how do I create a task group? I can''t seem to find the button.

[Girlinhat]

You essentially have to select a task group first, then create a new one.