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[Tarran]

I'm pretty sure you can add methane breathing races right now from SM mode.

[Mini]

Yeah, just make the race on a planet with a methane atmosphere.

[LoSboccacc]

About 3v1 point defence:

Is it a fleet based stat? I mean, I have a hundred or so launchers, split amongst 40kt of gunboats, if a single missle shows up, do I expect three missile to be shot or three hundred?

[Bremen]

About 3v1 point defence:

Is it a fleet based stat? I mean, I have a hundred or so launchers, split amongst 40kt of gunboats, if a single missle shows up, do I expect three missile to be shot or three hundred?

It's fleet based. Or rather, empire based.

[LoSboccacc]

That's great, as those old ship only carry 8 reloads (8 tubes with a 56 size magazine each)

[RedKing]

One tip with methane-breathers: go for a cold planet to start, as most of the methane planets you'll find out there are going to be outer planets (often moons of gas giants).

Did yet another nebula start (this time without DB bugs): Class 12 Nebula, have found at least 7 other nebula systems nearby. Found yet another super-distant binary (although only 9800 AUs this time) with habitable N-O worlds around the companion and no Lagrange points. RNG says trololo.

I'm actually kind of shocked at how many uninhabited nitrogen-oxygen worlds I'm finding. When I play with Real Stars on, it seems almost a given that a ni-ox world will have some kind of surprise waiting for me. Other than a pair of destroyed outposts (one of which was on a small, airless moon) I've found squat through about 15 systems (other than that potentially inhabited N-O world in that one far binary).

[darkrider2]

Usually when I've encountered enemy missiles ships, its been a moderate number (like 11 or 12 a salvo) of size 6-8 missiles, or its been "size 1 missile 25000km/s x55". The latter are the scary ones.

Anyway, some ship specs for my newest fleet.

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Chrome Thunder class Destroyer    7,750 tons     992 Crew     1482.8 BP      TCS 155  TH 210  EM 0
2709 km/s     Armour 6-34     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 7     PPV 71.68
Maint Life 6.25 Years     MSP 837    AFR 68%    IFR 1%    1YR 37    5YR 552    Max Repair 115 MSP

Heat Shielded Military Engine E6 (7)    Power 60    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 30    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 77.4 billion km   (330 days at full power)

Lacerator X-1 Turret (8x1)    Range 256,000km     TS: 6000 km/s     Power 16-4     RM 4    ROF 20        16 16 16 16 12 10 9 8 7 6
Combat Beam Fire Controller (1)    Max Range: 256,000 km   TS: 6000 km/s     96 92 88 84 80 77 73 69 65 61
Reactor Core 4.5 (8)     Total Power Output 36    Armour 0    Exp 5%

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Phalanx class Point Defense Ship    6,250 tons     449 Crew     992.2 BP      TCS 125  TH 180  EM 0
2880 km/s     Armour 4-30     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 6     PPV 67.2
Maint Life 6.8 Years     MSP 595    AFR 52%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 22    5YR 336    Max Repair 77 MSP

Heat Shielded Military Engine E6 (6)    Power 60    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 30    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 96.0 billion km   (385 days at full power)

Rapidfire GC Turret (8x3)    Range 30,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 3    ROF 5        1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rapidfire PD Fire Controller (1)    Max Range: 64,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     84 69 53 37 22 6 0 0 0 0

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Hawkeye class Sensor Ship    4,350 tons     414 Crew     1322.8 BP      TCS 87  TH 120  EM 0
2758 km/s     Armour 6-23     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 9     PPV 0
Maint Life 7.85 Years     MSP 1710    AFR 16%    IFR 0.2%    1YR 49    5YR 737    Max Repair 630 MSP

Heat Shielded Military Engine E6 (4)    Power 60    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 30    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 150,000 Litres    Range 103.4 billion km   (434 days at full power)

Pebblecatcher II Sensor Suite (1)     GPS 210     Range 23.1m km    Resolution 1
Tigerseye Sensor Suite (1)     GPS 126000     Range 980.0m km    Resolution 200

[Felius]

I'd recommend a backup PD sensor on the PD ship. If you only need to detect the missiles from about 30k km you should be able to use a very small sensor to detect the missiles at max range. The same actually for the Chrome Thunder, except with a bigger resolution. For the ranges you are working with you can use very small sensors and still be able to target find. That way the sensor ship won't be that big of a weak link, specially considering they'll likely target it first due to detecting the sensors. You might want to up its armor a bit as well.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong: The Chrome Thunder uses 8 turrets, each with a single laser? And the Phalanx, 8 turrets, each with 3 mesons?

And finally: You might want more fire controls, specially for PD. The way it is built, all turrets will have to fire at the same target/stack of missiles if I remember correctly.

[gimlet]

Nice combo, my one nitpick is that I'd really want at least one more fire control even if it wasn't as long ranged as the 1st one, just in case there's a bunch of FACS or multiple small missile salvos.  Plus removing the chance that one lucky meson hit makes a whole ship combat ineffective.

DANGIT ninja'd again - and good point you can probably save some space/bp by making multiple gun turrets, # of targets is limited by the # of fire controls anyway...

[darkrider2]

Thanks for the advice guys! I've already made some of those same upgrades to the mark 2's.

The phalanx was actually using 8 size 6 single gauss cannon turrets.

I have since changed the designs to incorporate all the new tech I've researched, the refit costs are almost 1.2 times the cost of just building a whole new ship so I'm keeping the old ones in service for a while. The Chrome Thunders now use twin turrets with the same lasers, upgraded the fire control range and speed. The phalanx went from using single turrets to quads along with maxing out the range and speed of the fire controller. The Hawkeye is getting some passive sensors so it can be more useful along with some smaller active sensors using the new tech.

I know the hawkeye is a weak link when you put small sensors on the other ships, but I keep it there for early detection of threats and for scanning large areas. Also the big res 1 sensor is there to capitalize on tracking time bonuses. I'm going up against missile that are going some 45000km/s so I'm keeping it.

Also I recently lost two ships to RAMMING by the precursors, how can I stop them from pulling this annoying stunt?

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Chrome Thunder II class Destroyer    7,850 tons     973 Crew     1739.2 BP      TCS 157  TH 168  EM 0
3057 km/s     Armour 6-35     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 10     PPV 73.72
Maint Life 6.93 Years     MSP 1385    AFR 49%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 50    5YR 756    Max Repair 192 MSP

Thermally Insulated Magneto-Plasma Drive E5 (6)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 28    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 114.6 billion km   (434 days at full power)

Lacerator X-1 Turret (Twin Barrels Model) (4x2)    Range 320,000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 32-8     RM 4    ROF 20        16 16 16 16 12 10 9 8 7 6
Beam Combat Interface III (1)    Max Range: 320,000 km   TS: 8000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Stellarator Reactor Core (6)     Total Power Output 36    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Close Watch Personnal Defense Sensor (1)     GPS 560     Range 17.5m km    Resolution 20

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Phalanx II class Point Defense Ship    6,900 tons     525 Crew     1488.6 BP      TCS 138  TH 140  EM 0
2898 km/s     Armour 4-32     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 11     PPV 65.28
Maint Life 6.85 Years     MSP 1483    AFR 34%    IFR 0.5%    1YR 55    5YR 826    Max Repair 384 MSP

Thermally Insulated Magneto-Plasma Drive E5 (5)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 28    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 104.3 billion km   (416 days at full power)

PD Turret (Rapidfire Quad Barrel Model) (2x12)    Range 30,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 3    ROF 5        1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Point Defense Interface System (1)    Max Range: 320,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69

Personnal PD Sensor (1)     GPS 56     Range 7.8m km    Resolution 1

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Hawkeye II class Sensor Ship    2,700 tons     251 Crew     999.6 BP      TCS 54  TH 56  EM 0
2962 km/s     Armour 4-17     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/140/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 0
Maint Life 6.18 Years     MSP 694    AFR 19%    IFR 0.3%    1YR 31    5YR 468    Max Repair 280 MSP

Thermally Insulated Magneto-Plasma Drive E5 (2)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 28    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 133.3 billion km   (520 days at full power)

Defensive Missile Tracking System (1)     GPS 280     Range 39.2m km    Resolution 1
Tigereye IV Sensor Suite (1)     GPS 44800     Range 495.8m km    Resolution 160
StaticCatcher EM Sensor (1)     Sensitivity 140     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  140m km
***A 500 ton thermal sensor will go here when I get the tech up to stuff***

And in the future I'm planning to build some kind of raiding ships to attack the 16000 ton ships the precursors have which keep running away from me. It will probably be a type of carrier loaded with FAC's.

EDIT: I know multiple fire controls are good for business, but my last fleet had like 8 of the PD ships in it and fought off the missiles just fine.

[Flying Dice]

Also I recently lost two ships to RAMMING by the precursors, how can I stop them from pulling this annoying stunt?

Don't make your ships so slooow? 

That, or figure out what sort of sacrifice you need to make to get the RNG back on your side, as I've never had ships rammed by Precursors (only a certain wormholey foe), and their ships are so lightly armored and low-tonnage that it shouldn't do too much damage (relatively speaking). But yeah, in all seriousness, shoot them before they close to point-blank range. If they're doing that, it means that they're missile ships and are out of munitions.

As to what you were mentioning RedKing, I just started another new (SM race) game with RS off (with typical all 3 special enemies on and 500% difficulty modifier--a sort of medium-tech but very low population and infrastructure and 1 researcher/1 admin/no milcommanders start to fit with the RP goal of a lost colony reclaiming Earth.) and ended up getting this:



Yep, my starting system had 3 <2.0 cost and 2 <4.0 cost; there are 5 more <2.0 cost bodies and 8 <4.0 cost bodies all within 2 jumps of home. That, and I've got notable Precursor counts in 4 systems. I need to turn RS off more often, I think.

[Dutchling]

Switch the Balakirev and the Midgard chains so it will be symmetric :V

[darkrider2]

I while back I was surveying a system when I noticed precursor wrecks started piling up around the primary star. I thought to myself, man, who the hell is kicking the shit out of the precursors? They've been giving me the run around for years now.

Needless to say I later returned to that system, in the 63 known systems I had forgotten which one it was, I did know it had the precursor control tag on it in the gal map but all the wrecks were gone so I couldn't tell yet.

Then.

Alien ship contact x99.
Intelligence reveals the [class] has a speed of 10000km/s.
Estimated tonnage 800 tons.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I think their feeding on my old fleets remains now.

[FritzPL]

Speaking of which, will my lame size 1 missiles work on the uh, fun wreck eater things, assuming they are keeping a healthy weight of 800 tons?

[darkrider2]

Depends, those small ships usually have 3-5 armor, star swarm has more armor than the precursors.

But I'm almost completely certain the swarm has next to no point defense in their smaller ships. So splurge, get some missiles with 16 warhead strength.

Anyway I just sent my brand new mark II fleet into a system that I thought was precursor controlled, nope, the goddamn swarm was waiting for me. After loosing all my sensor ships and PD ships, and four destroyers, 14 ships total, I wittled them down to nothing and killed em all.

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I found their queen, luckily she only moved around 1000 km/s and the swarms range on their mesons was around 60k km, so I just kept my fleet at 70k km and kept firing my lasers. After a long drawn out battle (she gets like 600-900 shields) I destroyed her.

I'm going to design some ships specifically for fighting the swarm cause the losses are unacceptable right now.

The commanders of the four remaining destroyers are all receiving service medals for their sacrifices in the field. And if I can save the life pods I'll give those commanders medals as well.

Edit: I had a weird thought, would it be possible to rotate the assignment of laser turrets to where I could have them all fire off one beam fire controller at different targets.

As it is now my destroyers have four turrets with a 20 sec recharge. So what if I fired one of them, switched the controller to another turret, fired that one, and eventually I could be firing continually every five seconds at seperate targets, I'm going to attempt this in my next swarm encounter, cause if my suspicions are correct, they should have mined my wrecks dry by now.