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[LoSboccacc]

true, but you can put the smallest focal one, as focal size does increase overall size.

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Wasp class Fighter    250 tons     11 Crew     39.5 BP      TCS 5  TH 24  EM 0
9600 km/s     Armour 2-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Maint Life 8.8 Years     MSP 10    AFR 5%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 0    5YR 3    Max Repair 45 MSP

FTR Magneto-plasma Drive E600 (1)    Power 48    Fuel Use 6000%    Signature 24    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres    Range 0.6 billion km   (17 hours at full power)

R6/C3 Meson Cannon (1)    Range 24,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 6    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.5 12-4000 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 24,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     58 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

(ignore the collapsium armor and 25kKIm/s tracking, this is the all research game that I use to test out designs)

[Flying Dice]

true, but you can put the smallest focal one, as focal size does increase overall size.

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Wasp class Fighter    250 tons     11 Crew     39.5 BP      TCS 5  TH 24  EM 0
9600 km/s     Armour 2-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Maint Life 8.8 Years     MSP 10    AFR 5%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 0    5YR 3    Max Repair 45 MSP

FTR Magneto-plasma Drive E600 (1)    Power 48    Fuel Use 6000%    Signature 24    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres    Range 0.6 billion km   (17 hours at full power)

R6/C3 Meson Cannon (1)    Range 24,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 6    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.5 12-4000 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 24,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     58 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

(ignore the collapsium armor and 25kKIm/s tracking, this is the all research game that I use to test out designs)

I have battleships that have a higher V_max than that...

[LoSboccacc]

I have battleships that have a higher V_max than that...

likely, but irrelevant. It was a thought experiment, not an awesome design of awesomeness show off.

[Bremen]

true, but you can put the smallest focal one, as focal size does increase overall size.

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Wasp class Fighter    250 tons     11 Crew     39.5 BP      TCS 5  TH 24  EM 0
9600 km/s     Armour 2-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Maint Life 8.8 Years     MSP 10    AFR 5%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 0    5YR 3    Max Repair 45 MSP

FTR Magneto-plasma Drive E600 (1)    Power 48    Fuel Use 6000%    Signature 24    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres    Range 0.6 billion km   (17 hours at full power)

R6/C3 Meson Cannon (1)    Range 24,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 6    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.5 12-4000 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 24,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     58 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

(ignore the collapsium armor and 25kKIm/s tracking, this is the all research game that I use to test out designs)

I have battleships that have a higher V_max than that...

Not with magneto-plasma drives you don't. Also fighters can use the +power techs, which are dangerous on a battleship.

[Flying Dice]

true, but you can put the smallest focal one, as focal size does increase overall size.

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Wasp class Fighter    250 tons     11 Crew     39.5 BP      TCS 5  TH 24  EM 0
9600 km/s     Armour 2-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Maint Life 8.8 Years     MSP 10    AFR 5%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 0    5YR 3    Max Repair 45 MSP

FTR Magneto-plasma Drive E600 (1)    Power 48    Fuel Use 6000%    Signature 24    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres    Range 0.6 billion km   (17 hours at full power)

R6/C3 Meson Cannon (1)    Range 24,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 6    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.5 12-4000 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 24,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     58 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

(ignore the collapsium armor and 25kKIm/s tracking, this is the all research game that I use to test out designs)

I have battleships that have a higher V_max than that...

Not with magneto-plasma drives you don't. Also fighters can use the +power techs, which are dangerous on a battleship.

I beg to differ.

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Mistral class Battleship    110,000 tons     12798 Crew     29076.5 BP      TCS 2200  TH 21520  EM 0
9781 km/s     Armour 1-204     Shields 0-0     Sensors 540/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 56     PPV 498.96
Maint Life 2.26 Years     MSP 9252    AFR 1728%    IFR 24%    1YR 2443    5YR 36643    Max Repair 1200 MSP

Magneto-plasma Drive E6 (269)    Power 80    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 80    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 3,000,000 Litres    Range 81.8 billion km   (96 days at full power)

Quad 10cm C3 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (24x4)    Range 180,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 12-12     RM 6    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 1
Twin 30cm C10 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (6x2)    Range 600,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-20     RM 6    ROF 15        24 24 24 24 24 24 20 18 16 14
30cm C10 Plasma Carronade (6)    Range 240,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 24-10     RM 1    ROF 15        24 12 8 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S04 75-40000 (4)    Max Range: 150,000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
Fire Control S04 300-10000 (4)    Max Range: 600,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 720    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR5692-R40 (1)     GPS 48000     Range 5,692.1m km    Resolution 40
Active Search Sensor MR450-R1 (1)     GPS 600     Range 450.0m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH30-540 (1)     Sensitivity 540     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  540m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

My early-game Battleships aren't fancy, they aren't clean, require massive amounts of support, and they sure as hell aren't cheap, but they get the job done.

Ed: Although by my own rules of nomenclature, that model edges into Dreadnaught territory, but I let myself get by with a little inconsistency.

[Jacob/Lee]

The engines, oh my god the engines!

[forsaken1111]

What a useless looking battleship... 

A single missile cruiser running at 10km/s could outrange and destroy it with crappy missile tech.

[Girlinhat]

1 armor column and no shields.  God help you if you ever run across a rock laying in the road.  Or an enemy laser that could easily EASILY deliver 20 internal damage.  Hope you like watching 269 engines exploding in synchronized order as your first touch of damage triggers a chain reaction~

...actually that sounds rather beautiful.

[Bremen]

That battleship devotes more than 67,000 tons to engines  . So I think the lesson here is that you can build a battleship faster than a fighter, but it's ridiculously inefficient.

[Flying Dice]

I said it could be done, I didn't say it could be done well. 


I don't actually start getting into ships that large till the latter third of the respective tech trees, but I could theoretically build it. To be fully functional, though,  I'd probably be getting into the range of 250,000-300,000 tons, which wouldn't make it a battleship anymore.

If I were going to actually build the thing, it would look something like this:

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Mistral class Dreadnought    320,000 tons     29209 Crew     78772 BP      TCS 6400  TH 64000  EM 12000
10000 km/s     Armour 40-416     Shields 400-100     Sensors 540/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 225     PPV 498.96
Maint Life 2.3 Years     MSP 19231    AFR 6553%    IFR 91%    1YR 4934    5YR 74017    Max Repair 1200 MSP

Magneto-plasma Drive E6 (800)    Power 80    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 80    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 10,100,000 Litres    Range 94.7 billion km   (109 days at full power)
Gamma R100/14 Shields (200)   Total Fuel Cost  2,800 Litres per day

Quad 10cm C3 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (24x4)    Range 180,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 12-12     RM 6    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 1
Twin 30cm C10 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (6x2)    Range 600,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-20     RM 6    ROF 15        24 24 24 24 24 24 20 18 16 14
CIWS-400 (100x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
30cm C10 Plasma Carronade (6)    Range 240,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 24-10     RM 1    ROF 15        24 12 8 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S04 75-40000 (4)    Max Range: 150,000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
Fire Control S04 300-10000 (4)    Max Range: 600,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 720    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR450-R1 (1)     GPS 600     Range 450.0m km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor MR5692-R40 (1)     GPS 48000     Range 5,692.1m km    Resolution 40
Thermal Sensor TH30-540 (1)     Sensitivity 540     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  540m km

ECM 30

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

It'd still be a massive pain to maintain, with failure rates like that, which I why I normally don't go for ships over 30k tons early on.

[Crustypeanut]

We need a naval officer bonus that decreases failure rate.. that'd be neat.

[Jacob/Lee]

We need a naval officer bonus that decreases failure rate.. that'd be neat.

"No, no, NO! The neutron bomb warhead is welded onto HERE! *grumbles*morons*grumbles*"

Dwarves In Space.

[Flying Dice]

Hah. And they'd all coincidentally be Scottish. 

[Crustypeanut]

Scottish or Russian. 

But yea, this game really needs something like that..

It also needs more Megaprojects/Stupid Dwarf Tricks, although I guess super-massive world-ships could count as that.. or ships meant to capture Swarm Queens alive..

[Girlinhat]

I think that hangaring a swarm queen counts as a megaproject.