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Author Topic: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games  (Read 2808571 times)

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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #6960 on: September 21, 2011, 09:23:59 pm »

Manual Labor?
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« Reply #6961 on: September 22, 2011, 12:00:08 am »

More accurately, the crew are the workers.

Which does make me wonder why a ship-based terraformer needs like 50 people to operate or whatever, while a planet based terraformer (producing exactly 100% the same amount of terraforming) requires like 250,000 people or something.

You need to pay maintenance for it on a ship. i don't think you need to pay for maintenance for a land based one. Which would explain the huge amount of people needed to maintain it.
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« Reply #6962 on: September 22, 2011, 01:11:46 am »

There's also another problem which is that the population on a planet require a certain percentage for agricultural upkeep, it's like 5% per extra colony cost, so a cost 19 world needs 95% of it's population for agriculture leaving almost nothing left to run teh terraformers .
It's just as well you don't need to feed or upkeep the life support of your fleets/colonies since Aurora already requires more than enough micromanagement
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« Reply #6963 on: September 22, 2011, 02:03:09 am »

Actually I believe a colony cost 19 world would have 100% of its population in agriculture, since a CC 0 one needs 5%.
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« Reply #6964 on: September 22, 2011, 09:02:19 am »

Are you sure it's an extra 5%, and not 5% of the base? Like 5% of 5%???
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #6965 on: September 22, 2011, 10:48:32 am »

More accurately, the crew are the workers.

Which does make me wonder why a ship-based terraformer needs like 50 people to operate or whatever, while a planet based terraformer (producing exactly 100% the same amount of terraforming) requires like 250,000 people or something.

You need to pay maintenance for it on a ship. i don't think you need to pay for maintenance for a land based one. Which would explain the huge amount of people needed to maintain it.
Also, ship-based terraformers are iirc massive and expensive.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #6966 on: September 22, 2011, 12:18:48 pm »

More accurately, the crew are the workers.

Which does make me wonder why a ship-based terraformer needs like 50 people to operate or whatever, while a planet based terraformer (producing exactly 100% the same amount of terraforming) requires like 250,000 people or something.

You need to pay maintenance for it on a ship. i don't think you need to pay for maintenance for a land based one. Which would explain the huge amount of people needed to maintain it.
Also, ship-based terraformers are iirc massive and expensive.


I just checked, and ship based ones are 500bp and the installations were 600bp. While this still makes them massive and expansive, so are installations.
Are you sure it's an extra 5%, and not 5% of the base? Like 5% of 5%???
I just tested it:
Mercury has 17.4091 CC,
The A&E percentage was 92.1%, (5% + 17.4091 * 5% = 92.045)
Service % was 8.0% which brought to manufacturing % to 0.0.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 12:21:33 pm by Dutchling »
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« Reply #6967 on: September 22, 2011, 01:34:07 pm »

There's also another problem which is that the population on a planet require a certain percentage for agricultural upkeep, it's like 5% per extra colony cost, so a cost 19 world needs 95% of it's population for agriculture leaving almost nothing left to run teh terraformers .
It's just as well you don't need to feed or upkeep the life support of your fleets/colonies since Aurora already requires more than enough micromanagement

How much are my people eating?! Unless I dropped them off at the colony with pre industrial age technology, I would think they would be able to do better for themselves than contributing 95% of their entire population just to support themselves.
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« Reply #6968 on: September 22, 2011, 02:08:53 pm »

God, I need to delete this game.  It's a memetic hazard of the highest order.
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« Reply #6969 on: September 22, 2011, 02:40:50 pm »

There's also another problem which is that the population on a planet require a certain percentage for agricultural upkeep, it's like 5% per extra colony cost, so a cost 19 world needs 95% of it's population for agriculture leaving almost nothing left to run teh terraformers .
It's just as well you don't need to feed or upkeep the life support of your fleets/colonies since Aurora already requires more than enough micromanagement

How much are my people eating?! Unless I dropped them off at the colony with pre industrial age technology, I would think they would be able to do better for themselves than contributing 95% of their entire population just to support themselves.

A cost 19 world is so volatile and uncolonizable that your people would have a hell of a time even getting plants to grow. The efficiency on such a high cost astro would make it ridiculously horrible.

Personally, I never colonize anything above 2.
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« Reply #6970 on: September 22, 2011, 02:56:21 pm »

With a colony cost that high, the world is so corrosive, high/low pressure and otherwise harmful to exist in that it's all they can do to get their shelters from rupturing each and every day.

It leaves little time for doing anything else, honestly.
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« Reply #6971 on: September 22, 2011, 03:31:14 pm »

There's also another problem which is that the population on a planet require a certain percentage for agricultural upkeep, it's like 5% per extra colony cost, so a cost 19 world needs 95% of it's population for agriculture leaving almost nothing left to run teh terraformers .
It's just as well you don't need to feed or upkeep the life support of your fleets/colonies since Aurora already requires more than enough micromanagement

How much are my people eating?! Unless I dropped them off at the colony with pre industrial age technology, I would think they would be able to do better for themselves than contributing 95% of their entire population just to support themselves.

A cost 19 world is so volatile and uncolonizable that your people would have a hell of a time even getting plants to grow. The efficiency on such a high cost astro would make it ridiculously horrible.

Personally, I never colonize anything above 2.
Its not just agriculture, it is all of the work required to sustain life. That means working the atmosphere processors, waste recyclers, etc. It is abstracted out into a % of your population which works full time to keep the whole population alive.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #6972 on: September 22, 2011, 05:35:13 pm »

Two things I can't figure out how to do:

1. "Go to system".  There must be an easy way and I'm missing the button.  I can autoroute to any pop, but not to an unpopulated system.

2. Ignore specific interrupts.  I know my grav surveyor has 8% fuel left.  It'll hit earth before it runs out, TRUST ME.  I don't need the game to get in the way of my autoturns.  Can I say "Display these warnings but do not interrupt"?  Same for Martian unrest.  Trust me, I am building you that PDC.  I don't care how whiny you are, it won't get it done faster.
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« Reply #6973 on: September 22, 2011, 05:48:36 pm »

While on the topic of systems, I finally made the jump between Sol and another system. How can I switch the view between the two?
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« Reply #6974 on: September 22, 2011, 05:56:05 pm »

While on the topic of systems, I finally made the jump between Sol and another system. How can I switch the view between the two?

There's a dropdown on the left side of the system view.
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His servers are going to be powered by goat blood and moonlight.
Oh, a biomass/24 hour solar facility. How green!
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