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[Flying Dice]

Yep, they search for targets within their sensor range when their initial target gets blown up. As long as they can detect a contact they'll go after it. If you're firing missiles at your maximum range they may not have fuel left to reach it though.

Not sure if they can attack friendly ships or not, never had a ship near one to find out.

The "hostile" setting for military stance with other races claims missiles will target ships part of that race so I assume missiles will just idle if there is no enemy ships but friendlies around.

Yeah, if they don't get any hostile contacts within their endurance time they'll self-destruct.

Although TBH it'd be a nice touch if they would just drift there and could be recovered and reused.

[Jacob/Lee]

Yeah, it would be a nice feature if a missile just killed its engines until an enemy came in range when it couldn't find a target so you could pick it up and re-use it.

[Paul]

Eh, fire and its gone is better imo. Makes you have to choose between limiting your shots on an unknown enemy or going all out to make sure its dead.

It's a tactical choice. Do I fire all of my missiles at that big ship coming at me, or should I fire a quarter and see how that does? If I fire all I might see 10 of them kill it and the rest explode uselessly, if I fire a quarter I might see all of them get shot down then find myself short of ammo for a decisive strike.

If you could recover the excess you'd just always fire everything you have then pick up the leftovers.

[Sirus]

Eh, fire and its gone is better imo. Makes you have to choose between limiting your shots on an unknown enemy or going all out to make sure its dead.

It's a tactical choice. Do I fire all of my missiles at that big ship coming at me, or should I fire a quarter and see how that does? If I fire all I might see 10 of them kill it and the rest explode uselessly, if I fire a quarter I might see all of them get shot down then find myself short of ammo for a decisive strike.

If you could recover the excess you'd just always fire everything you have then pick up the leftovers.

100% agree. Remember, missiles may be tactically superior (longest range and highest damage potential) but strategically inferior (must build them and reload your ships somehow). Making missiles reusable would just make them even more OP than they already are.

[Flying Dice]

Eh, fire and its gone is better imo. Makes you have to choose between limiting your shots on an unknown enemy or going all out to make sure its dead.

It's a tactical choice. Do I fire all of my missiles at that big ship coming at me, or should I fire a quarter and see how that does? If I fire all I might see 10 of them kill it and the rest explode uselessly, if I fire a quarter I might see all of them get shot down then find myself short of ammo for a decisive strike.

If you could recover the excess you'd just always fire everything you have then pick up the leftovers.

100% agree. Remember, missiles may be tactically superior (longest range and highest damage potential) but strategically inferior (must build them and reload your ships somehow). Making missiles reusable would just make them even more OP than they already are.

See, I was thinking more along the lines of being able to pick up the couple that are always left over from my battles, and then refueling them from my ships' tanks. It isn't as if it changes game balance, as you have to take time and spend fuel to recover them, so resource-wise it would almost always be more efficient to top off from colliers rather than waste time chasing down a few stray missiles. The situations I had in mind were ones where a detachment is operating far from friendly territory and doesn't have the option of rearming from colliers or colonies, in which case every missile would count and picking up strays is a logical decision. With longer range missiles this would also mean that more than a handful of missiles could seriously deplete your fuel bunkers, turning it into a much more important tactical decision.

[thobal]

Do objects really drift around?

[Paul]

See, I was thinking more along the lines of being able to pick up the couple that are always left over from my battles, and then refueling them from my ships' tanks. It isn't as if it changes game balance, as you have to take time and spend fuel to recover them, so resource-wise it would almost always be more efficient to top off from colliers rather than waste time chasing down a few stray missiles. The situations I had in mind were ones where a detachment is operating far from friendly territory and doesn't have the option of rearming from colliers or colonies, in which case every missile would count and picking up strays is a logical decision. With longer range missiles this would also mean that more than a handful of missiles could seriously deplete your fuel bunkers, turning it into a much more important tactical decision.

Heh, missile fuel is so little compared to ships it wouldn't be a tactical decision at all. My big size 10 missile takes 2000 fuel. The size 425 fighter that carries 4 of them has 35,000 fuel. The carrier that carries 40 of those ships has 2,650,000 fuel. Thats a total of 4,050,000 fuel on that carrier and its fighters. Even if I fired all 160 missiles the fighter group carries and then ran out and recovered all 160 of them I'd only be out 320,000 fuel, less than 10% of what I carry and probably less than it takes to fly out to meet the enemy in the fighters. If I could recover missiles like you say, I would ALWAYS fire my entire volley at enemies - always, every single time. Even if I have to recover half of them every time the 160,000 fuel cost is so little it is miniscule in comparison to firing a partial amount of missiles and seeing all of them shot down. I can store enough fuel for 25 of them in 1 HS, storing 25 of them takes about 15 HS.

It's a much richer tactical game if missiles are single use. Decisions with how many missiles to fire at targets could make or break a war. You might lose a battle because you tried to be cheap with missiles, or you may lose the war because you used all your missiles up front firing too many in the initial battles.

It also makes knowledge of your enemy more important. If you know that ship X has minimal point defense and died the last time after only 4 missile impacts, you know you don't need to fire too many for a kill. On the other hand ship Y might have powerful anti missile capability and last time managed to shoot down 100 missiles before even reaching it. That one you would want to fire at least 120 or more to make sure you get enough past the AMMs to destroy it without costing you a second expensive try at overcoming them.

[MarcAFK]

It kinda makes sence to make your missiles self destruct when they run out of range since you don't want bloody unexploded atomic warheads floating around your shipping lanes, also you wouldn't want enemies salvaging them for your tech...
Then again maybe a few should always get lost and if you're unlucky show up at the worst time, or you might get lucky and find an old precursor missile floating around to salvage..

Edit:
The Aurora wiki is a freaking mess, I must have wasted 2 hours looking for any reference to Colonising or moving stuff with freighters, eventually i just decided to poke around the interface systematically untill i eventually found what i needed on the F12 task groups page....
To sum up, the Wiki and the tutorials are missing some rather important information that a dense person like me might find useful, I'm sure the forum has that information but i couldn't find it either, maybe i could register to the forum and make some pages on the wiki myself...

Edit 2: So i'm playing my first game, i finally got a geoship out there and *sigh* everything in sol looks rather barren,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mercury: Nothing
Venus: Neutronium 27,000k, Tritanium 8,000k, Sorium 3,750k, Corundium 33,755k
Earth 10-100k of everything, about 5-15 years Till it's mined out from the 400 mines i started with
Luna: Neutrinium 2,000k, Tritanium 200k, Vendarite 97k
Mars: Nothing
Phobos, Deimos: Nothing
Jupiter: Nothing
Metis: Nothing
Amalthea: Nothing
Thebe: Nothing
Io:Duranium 685k
Europe:Nothing
Ganymede:Nothing
Callisto:Sorium 278k, Corundium 2,742k
Himalia:Nothing
Lysithea:Nothing
Elara:Nothing
Ananke:Nothing
Carme:Nothing
Pasiphe: Carbomite 1537, Sorium 635, Corundium 924
Sinope:Nothing
Saturn: (oops, forgot to survey this one, it's queued after the rest of the moons)
Atlas; Nothing
Prometheus: Nothing
Pandora: Nothing
Epimetheus: Nothing
Mimas: Nothing
Enceladus:Nothing
Tethys:Nothing
Dione:Nothing
Rhea:Nothing
Titan: Nothing
Hyperion:Nothing
Iapetus: Nothing
Phoebe: Nothing
Edit : nothing on 11 moons of uranus or 8 moons of neptune, but some sorium on the giants themself (1.5 mil and 230 mill respectively)
Pluto: nothing
Charon: Neutronium 280k, Tritanium 230K, Mercassium 200k, Sorium 200k, Boronide 37k and Vendarite 87k (erk, my only mercassium deposit and it's 2 months away at 1500km/s ? well at least it's 0.9 availability unlike my only corundium deposits which are all 0.1 )

*facepalm* After giving orders to survey all the moons of my gas giants i give an order to also check comet 1 which is conveniently near neptune, i notice i have accidentally given the order to "move to comet 1" ok i think, i'll select it and click delete...... Oh wait that button says "delete all" 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Edit 3 : I seem to have broken my freighter, i had it shuttling infrastructure to mars, but when i set it to move automines to venus for that precious sorium it's just sitting at earth doing nothing, in the meantime My civvies got their act together and started doing it by themself. However i was experementing with refitting at my shipyard, perhaps my freighter is stuck because i had selected it as a target for refitting, despite not having anything i could refit it to?
"Praise the miners! We have struck : Carbomite 1537, Sorium 635, Corundium 924 on Pasiphae" !   X(

[catoblepas]

How do you transfer buildings and population from one group on a planet to another? I tried using 'supply and demand' to transfer some research buildings to a conquered population to the conquered population, but nothing happens. Is there any way to merge the conquered population with the conquerors? What about technology? Any input would be appreciated.

[Jacob/Lee]

Do objects really drift around?

Objects will float, they don't actually move though. They just sit in space until something happens to them.

[Paul]

Game already calculates orbits of planets, and asteroids if you turn that on. If it calculated the drift of every wreck and misfired missile you would be sitting there waiting ages between 5 day turns

[forsaken1111]

You guys know that you can make mines using buoys right? No need to have missiles drift and retarget. Just drop a ton of mine buoys on your warp points.

[Flying Dice]

It kinda makes sence to make your missiles self destruct when they run out of range since you don't want bloody unexploded atomic warheads floating around your shipping lanes, also you wouldn't want enemies salvaging them for your tech...
Then again maybe a few should always get lost and if you're unlucky show up at the worst time, or you might get lucky and find an old precursor missile floating around to salvage..

Edit:
The Aurora wiki is a freaking mess, I must have wasted 2 hours looking for any reference to Colonising or moving stuff with freighters, eventually i just decided to poke around the interface systematically untill i eventually found what i needed on the F12 task groups page....
To sum up, the Wiki and the tutorials are missing some rather important information that a dense person like me might find useful, I'm sure the forum has that information but i couldn't find it either, maybe i could register to the forum and make some pages on the wiki myself...

Edit 2: So i'm playing my first game, i finally got a geoship out there and *sigh* everything in sol looks rather barren,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mercury: empty
Venus: neutronium 27,000k, tritanium 8,000k, Sorium 3,750k, Corundium 33,755k
Earth 10-100k of everything, about 5-15 years Till it's mined out from the 400 mines i started with
Luna: Neutrinium 2,000k, tritanium 200k, Vendarite 97l
Mars: Nothing
Phobos, Deimos: Nothing
Jupiter: Nothing
Saturn: Nothing
Titan: Nothing (you're kidding me?)

*facepalm* After giving orders to survey all the moons of my gas giants i give an order to also check comet 1 which is conveniently near neptune, i notice i have accidentally given the order to "move to comet 1" ok i think, i'll select it and click delete...... Oh wait that button says "delete all" 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Edit 3 : I seem to have broken my freighter, i had it shuttling infrastructure to mars, but when i set it to move automines to venus for that precious sorium it's just sitting at earth doing nothing, in the meantime My civvies got their act together and started doing it by themself. However i was experementing with refitting at my shipyard, perhaps my freighter is stuck because i had selected it as a target for refitting, despite not having anything i could refit it to?
"Praise the miners! We have struck : Carbomite 1537, Sorium 635, Corundium 924 on Pasiphae" !   X(

See, what I was thinking is, unexploded ordinance is a staple of conventional warfare, with tens of thousands of mine, dud shells, etc. all over the place from the past two dozen wars. Why would starfaring capability change that?


As for the freighters, check their cargo holds. They almost certainly have a full load of infrastructure. Repeat orders tend to screw up and end with a full load rather than empty holds, in my experience.

[Paul]

The bug with removing ships from TGs ruins my fun with tractor beams.

My explorer fleet group of

Spoiler: An engine section (click to show/hide)

Explorer - Engine Section class Exploration Ship    25,000 tons     753 Crew     3715.1 BP      TCS 500  TH 9600  EM 0
19200 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 5-76     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 93    Max Repair 625 MSP
Tractor Beam     

J25000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 25000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
InC Fusion Drive C600 (16)    Power 600    Fuel Use 6%    Signature 600    Armour 0    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 685,000 Litres    Range 822.0 billion km   (495 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

Spoiler: A main section (click to show/hide)

Explorer - Main Section class Exploration Ship    15,000 tons     1000 Crew     4475.4 BP      TCS 300  TH 0  EM 0
1 km/s     Armour 5-54     Shields 0-0     Sensors 24/24/0/0     Damage Control Rating 35     PPV 2
Maint Life 6.89 Years     MSP 6526    AFR 51%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 239    5YR 3590    Max Repair 2400 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6000 tons     Magazine 110   

Fuel Capacity 2,830,000 Litres    Range N/A

AM Missile Launcher (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Missile Fire Control FC20-R1 (1)     Range 20.7m km    Resolution 1
Mosquito IV AM Missile (110)  Speed: 80,000 km/s   End: 0.7m    Range: 3.4m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 1626 / 976 / 488

Active Search Sensor MR20-R1 (1)     GPS 87     Range 20.7m km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor MR6309-R120 (1)     GPS 288000     Range 6,309.8m km    Resolution 120
Thermal Sensor TH1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Spoiler: And four of each of these (click to show/hide)

Explorer - Grav class Exploration Ship    750 tons     66 Crew     393.5 BP      TCS 15  TH 240  EM 0
16000 km/s     Armour 5-7     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/3/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0.82 Years     MSP 33    AFR 45%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 40    5YR 600    Max Repair 200 MSP

InC Fusion Drive M240 (1)    Power 240    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 240    Armour 0    Exp 35%
Fuel Capacity 130,000 Litres    Range 520.0 billion km   (376 days at full power)

Advanced Gravitational Sensors (1)   3 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Explorer - Geo class Exploration Ship    750 tons     66 Crew     393.5 BP      TCS 15  TH 240  EM 0
16000 km/s     Armour 5-7     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/3     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0.82 Years     MSP 33    AFR 45%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 40    5YR 600    Max Repair 200 MSP

InC Fusion Drive M240 (1)    Power 240    Fuel Use 60%    Signature 240    Armour 0    Exp 35%
Fuel Capacity 130,000 Litres    Range 520.0 billion km   (376 days at full power)

Advanced Geological Sensors (1)   3 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Without bugs, it's a fun little group to play with. I move them into a system, detach the 4 grav survey, add order to survey, hit divide tg. Same with Geo if there are a bunch of planets. About a month or so later the system is surveyed and I just have the ships land on their assigned mothership and off we go to the next system. It's a little micromanagery but I kinda like watching them swarm over the system scanning it anyway, and the time it takes to give them orders isn't that long. I over designed it for fuel, it has so much I used them for 4 years exploring tons of systems and only lost like 5% because the small ships use so little in their surveying while the main one just waits for them. And the commercial engines don't have thermal reduction, so its way too big of a thermal signature. The passives are too small too (I accidentally included my commercial ones instead of my larger military ones), but generally it's a good group.

The problem is...

Remove from task group. Over and over and over. Every single time the main section takes a hit or even suffers a maintenance failure it thinks it has taken engine damage and separates from the task group, forcing me to recombine it with the engine section. Maybe if I build a new version with an engine on the main section it will stop disconnecting every 5 minutes. I sure hope so...

[MarcAFK]

i found the problem, i forgot to Change "maximum amount to load" from 0 *facepalm*