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[Paul]

I don't believe they do. Just like I don't believe they use JPs either.

Hope to god they are smart enough to not to try and travel that distance. They'll grow old by the time they arrive on the secondary if they do.

It'd be interesting to play a game where you start out on a secondary like that with no LPs, and an NPR on the primary. You'd have to design fast hyper drive capable ships and either try to make friends with the NPR or wipe them out before moving on to the rest of the galaxy.

With a 6250 km/s ship outfitted with hyperdrive you could make the trip in just over a year.


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Heh, I just surveyed a 21000 diameter world. It will never be habitable, 125 atmospheres of carbon dioxide (95%) and sulfur (5%) and 1.8 gravity - but man does it have minerals. 
Austin-A II
Duranium 104,980,000  Acc: 0.9
Neutronium 22,325,620  Acc: 0.8
Corbomite 39,793,230  Acc: 0.6
Tritanium 128,129,020  Acc: 0.8
Boronide 44,310,000  Acc: 0.9
Mercassium 80,260,000  Acc: 0.5
Vendarite 45,237,225  Acc: 0.8
Sorium 23,843,600  Acc: 0.1
Uridium 87,415,620  Acc: 0.1
Corundium 4,862,025  Acc: 0.1
Gallicite 62,015,620  Acc: 0.1

It's in a level 9 nebula system though (277km/s per armor level), so it would be slow going moving my ships from the JP to the planet and back since all my cargo ships only have 1 armor.

[Flying Dice]

I don't believe they do. Just like I don't believe they use JPs either.

Hope to god they are smart enough to not to try and travel that distance. They'll grow old by the time they arrive on the secondary if they do.

It'd be interesting to play a game where you start out on a secondary like that with no LPs, and an NPR on the primary. You'd have to design fast hyper drive capable ships and either try to make friends with the NPR or wipe them out before moving on to the rest of the galaxy.

With a 6250 km/s ship outfitted with hyperdrive you could make the trip in just over a year.


-edit-
Heh, I just surveyed a 21000 diameter world. It will never be habitable, 125 atmospheres of carbon dioxide (95%) and sulfur (5%) and 1.8 gravity - but man does it have minerals. 
Austin-A II
Duranium 104,980,000  Acc: 0.9
Neutronium 22,325,620  Acc: 0.8
Corbomite 39,793,230  Acc: 0.6
Tritanium 128,129,020  Acc: 0.8
Boronide 44,310,000  Acc: 0.9
Mercassium 80,260,000  Acc: 0.5
Vendarite 45,237,225  Acc: 0.8
Sorium 23,843,600  Acc: 0.1
Uridium 87,415,620  Acc: 0.1
Corundium 4,862,025  Acc: 0.1
Gallicite 62,015,620  Acc: 0.1

It's in a level 9 nebula system though (277km/s per armor level), so it would be slow going moving my ships from the JP to the planet and back since all my cargo ships only have 1 armor.

If there are any asteroids, moons, etc. near the JP, plop some automines and mass drivers down on the planet, put a single mass driver on the rock near the JP, and have the MDs on the planet shoot the minerals to it. Then your ships can make relatively short trips through the nebula. Alternately, you could design a heavily armored freighter, but that'd cost a lot more.

[Paul]

Already thought of that

Sadly the system has only planets, and all very close to the star. It's a 124 day trip from the planet to the JP with a 1 armor ship. That's a 248 day round trip from JP to planet and back.

I'm already thinking of making an armored freighter. Looks like with my engine and armor tech I can change my 1 armor 372,050 ton 7418 speed freighter into a 8 armor 381,200 ton 7240 speed freighter. That would cut my travel time down to 31 days round trip. while not slowing the travel time in other systems so bad.

[MarcAFK]

Oddly enough i was Dreaming about newtonian physics Aurora last night before i read anything about Steve's new version. I'm rather stoked about it actually, Sure it'll seriously alter combat but with the right balancing/alterations it should make combat more exciting.
The only major limitation is the limited combat window thing, but if energy weapons had their range increased drastically and maybe were made more devastating at closer ranges (like during a flyby) it should fix things, maybe armour could be changed, ships could be made weaker in the rear etc.
Also if anything relativistic combat would make missiles even more important since a ships velocity, heading etc would be virtually a constant during any battle but missiles would still have more delta V available to catch up with and engage with enemy ships.
Also, it seems likely that relativistic speeds would be rather uncommon during the game (due to fuel constraints) and we would be likely to see the same kinds of velocitys that we're already seeing, say your fleet shoots past the enemy at 80'000km/s, and they're going at 60'000 km/s, you would only need missiles going faster than 140'000 km/s to catch up with his fleet (significantly faster to avoid his antimissile defences), however a 2.5 ton missile needs vastly less fuel to hit 140'000 km/s than your 200'000 ton ship did and it's likely that missiles should be capable of out accelerating and manuevering any ship imaginable.
I'm picturing the new game after correct balancing (like increasing damage of energy weapons significantly) being able to support your choice of 2 different combat strategies, either long range missile spam, or  reducing velocity relative to enemy fleet so you stay in energy range long enough to blast the shit out of him with energy weapons.
Anyway, i'm hoping that things will balancing out to being a very playable and exciting combat experience.

[forsaken1111]

Heh, I just surveyed a 21000 diameter world. It will never be habitable, 125 atmospheres of carbon dioxide (95%) and sulfur (5%) and 1.8 gravity - but man does it have minerals. 
Austin-A II
Duranium 104,980,000  Acc: 0.9
Neutronium 22,325,620  Acc: 0.8
Corbomite 39,793,230  Acc: 0.6
Tritanium 128,129,020  Acc: 0.8
Boronide 44,310,000  Acc: 0.9
Mercassium 80,260,000  Acc: 0.5
Vendarite 45,237,225  Acc: 0.8
Sorium 23,843,600  Acc: 0.1
Uridium 87,415,620  Acc: 0.1
Corundium 4,862,025  Acc: 0.1
Gallicite 62,015,620  Acc: 0.1

It's in a level 9 nebula system though (277km/s per armor level), so it would be slow going moving my ships from the JP to the planet and back since all my cargo ships only have 1 armor.

Is there an asteroid or something near the jumpgate to home? You could have it railgun all material to the asteroid and pick it up there to save the trip.

[Hanzoku]

Unfortunately, energy weapons will never have their range increased beyond the current maximum, which I believe corresponds to the distance light can travel over five seconds if I remember the explanation from Aurora's forum. It's a shame given the insane range missiles have compared to beam weapons.

[MrWiggles]

Unfortunately, energy weapons will never have their range increased beyond the current maximum, which I believe corresponds to the distance light can travel over five seconds if I remember the explanation from Aurora's forum. It's a shame given the insane range missiles have compared to beam weapons.

Yea, but DEW are far cheaper compared to missels. Missels are expensive, and harder to manage over DEW.

[Felius]

I don't believe they do. Just like I don't believe they use JPs either.

Hope to god they are smart enough to not to try and travel that distance. They'll grow old by the time they arrive on the secondary if they do.

"My father traveled this route. My grandfather traveled this route, and my great grandfather too. One day, son, you'll travel this route and finish the 5th delivery."

Considering that girl that was a gym leader for another team, I don't know if we have a very good chance at a gym. That Ivysaur was at what, 25-30s? Although... Hmm, with the xp of today's battle I'll check one thing later... My blade might be able to strike truer than I expected...

...What? I don't understand...

Wrong thread, or just being random. Probably. Or insane.

Very wrong thread...  I'm also insane, but that's besides the point.

[RedKing]

Heh, the game just genned a system with a secondary star 13,000 AU out with LPs linking them and several large habitable planets on both stars. It's 1944.82b km from the jump point to the first planet on the second star.

Too bad the civilians don't use LPs (or do they now? last time I had a system like this back in like 5.0 they didn't).

I'm glad theres an LP though, otherwise I'd feel obligated to design a whole series of fast, long range, hyperdrive capable ships just to colonise it and set up a mining operation. And then wait 62 years for the first mineral packets to arrive.

13,000?? That's like 1/5th of a light-year. That's insane. I'd love to see this system. What's the primary, some kind of O-II supergiant? It's hard to imagine gravity even still working at that distance. For that matter, what's the orbital period of the secondary?

[Flying Dice]

See, if/when we actually get Newtonian physics, I want the mechanics to play with it properly. Like, say allowing ships with tractors to attach themselves to asteroids in the outskirts of a system, boost them up to a high velocity in the direction of an enemy planet, and then detact the tractors and let it coast until it smashes into the planet. Completely plausable, undetectable without the proper sensors, and nigh-unstoppable if you don't notice it until too late. OTOH, make sure there is a mechanic in place for combat against system bodies, so you could replicate a fleet plastering it with missiles... And then watching the thousands of fragments demolish the planet even further than the asteroid would have. Or, for smarter civilizations, matching velocities using their own tractor ships and pushing it off course into their star.

[Paul]

Heh, the game just genned a system with a secondary star 13,000 AU out with LPs linking them and several large habitable planets on both stars. It's 1944.82b km from the jump point to the first planet on the second star.

Too bad the civilians don't use LPs (or do they now? last time I had a system like this back in like 5.0 they didn't).

I'm glad theres an LP though, otherwise I'd feel obligated to design a whole series of fast, long range, hyperdrive capable ships just to colonise it and set up a mining operation. And then wait 62 years for the first mineral packets to arrive.

13,000?? That's like 1/5th of a light-year. That's insane. I'd love to see this system. What's the primary, some kind of O-II supergiant? It's hard to imagine gravity even still working at that distance. For that matter, what's the orbital period of the secondary?

Actually, both stars are K5V class. Just main sequence stars smaller than the sun (.69 and .68 mass). The orbital period is crazy - 1,264,923. Aurora doesn't really model binary systems correctly. In this example with the masses so close they'd both be orbiting a point almost directly between them instead of one orbiting the other - although as you mention at that distance they might just separate into single stars.

See, if/when we actually get Newtonian physics, I want the mechanics to play with it properly. Like, say allowing ships with tractors to attach themselves to asteroids in the outskirts of a system, boost them up to a high velocity in the direction of an enemy planet, and then detact the tractors and let it coast until it smashes into the planet. Completely plausable, undetectable without the proper sensors, and nigh-unstoppable if you don't notice it until too late. OTOH, make sure there is a mechanic in place for combat against system bodies, so you could replicate a fleet plastering it with missiles... And then watching the thousands of fragments demolish the planet even further than the asteroid would have. Or, for smarter civilizations, matching velocities using their own tractor ships and pushing it off course into their star.

That wouldn't really be viable with the size of the asteroids compared to the size of the ships you build in game. Even the smallest asteroid I can find in Sol (1.73E-9 mass) would be over 10.3 trillion metric tons. Even big ships in Aurora are only a few hundred thousand tons. Try moving a 10.3 trillion ton object with even a 1,000,000 ton ship. That's like a gnat trying to move an elephant.

[PTTG??]

Well, a gnat with a nuclear reactor and the ability to use the elephant as a source of reaction mass, in a frictionless environment.

[shadenight123]

Well, a gnat with a nuclear reactor and the ability to use the elephant as a source of reaction mass, in a frictionless environment.

and the gnat can always aim at the elephant weak point: the trunk, to make it move on it's own far away from the gnat.
elephants...why you so scared!

[Chattox]

How powerful can you make ground troops? I want to make space marines for the Imperium

[forsaken1111]

If biology research could make better soldiers I'd be more inclined to use it.