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[inteuniso]

Alright, reading Old Man's War, and I really want to create a game in Aurora similar to the scenario in Old Man's War. For those of you who don't know: Genetically Modified human bodies fight against a shitton of aliens. 20 Billion Humans against 4 trillion aliens. Also, there are few habitable planets. Basically, a WARRRRR scenario.

[RedKing]

Just curious, but how many Katyushas do you fire per volley?

My current missile destroyer design:

Spoiler: Artemis-B (click to show/hide)

Artemis-B class Missile Destroyer    9,650 tons     880 Crew     3088.05 BP      TCS 193  TH 350  EM 0
5181 km/s     Armour 10-40     Shields 0-0     Sensors 14/14/0/0     Damage Control Rating 13     PPV 30.85
Annual Failure Rate: 57%    IFR: 0.8%    Maint Capacity 2600 MSP    Max Repair 360 MSP    Est Time: 4.52 Years
Magazine 315   

Imperial Fusion 50 (10)    Power 100    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 35    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 480,000 Litres    Range 179.1 billion km   (400 days at full power)

15cm FarUV Laser (4)    Range 300,000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 3
Phalanx-2 (2x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Righteous Farsight Mk II (1)    Max Range: 384,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
TokaCore-24 (1)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Katyusha Launcher Mk I (15)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 450
Seraphim's Hand 250M (1)     Range 253.0m km    Resolution 70
Katyusha-1 (105)  Speed: 33,300 km/s   End: 60m    Range: 119.9m km   WH: 5    Size: 3    TH: 111 / 66 / 33

Logos Sensor 250M (1)     GPS 18000     Range 252.0m km    Resolution 100
ThermaSens-14 (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  14m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-14 (70%) (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  14m km

ECCM-3 (1)         ECM 30

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

has 15 launch tubes. 4 Artemis-class destroyers to a battle squadron, so 60 per salvo, in 4 groups of 15. With a rate of fire of 450s and enough ammo for seven full salvos. It's not a lot of staying power, but so far the combats have been short and ugly, and close to my supply lines.

Hmm...I think the Molotoks might have been in a different game. In this one, they're currently only in use by PDCs.

[forsaken1111]

Can you use tractor beams on enemy vessels?

It would be funny to make little tractor tugs which ran out and latched on to enemies to slow them

[anzki4]

Erm... How on earth you build an ship. I have followed the instructions from the tutorial and designed it, but I cannot build it in the shipyards. My ship class does not appear on neither Naval or Commercial ports, and after checking industry page - and many other places - I cannot seem to find a way to build the ship.

[Sheb]

Did you retool the shipyard for that class? You need to select retool shipyard in the shipyard activities, thens elect the class.

[anzki4]

Thank you! That did the trick.

[Felius]

Does anyone how deep space tracking station work precisely? Are they EM sensors, Thermal, Active, a combination of them, or what?

[Tarran]

I think it's both Thermal and EM. No actives, though.

[Earthquake Damage]

IIRC a single Deep Space Tracking Station is 50 HS (for cargo purposes) and counts as both a 50 HS EM sensor and a 50 HS thermal sensor.  Sensor strength is determined by your Planetary Sensor Strength technology, not your EM/TH techs.  Something like that.

Also, unlike ship sensors, tracking stations stack linearly.  If a colony has 10 tracking stations, they function as a 500 HS sensor.

[andrea]

what sensor strength would I need to cover a whole system? assuming 3000 ton targets.

a good planetary sensor network could save me many worries without having to keep ships at jump points. ( it is already bad enough to overhaul the 2 guard ships on one of the colonized systems every 10-15 years)

[Tarran]

what sensor strength would I need to cover a whole system? assuming 3000 ton targets.

Deep Space sensors do not have Active sensors, they have Thermal and EM. Neither work by tonnage, but by Engine emissions and Shields/Active Sensor emissions respectively. So there's no one size fits all. Some enemy ships could be blind and have no shields, thus having no EM signature. Some could have huge engines while being tiny or very little while still being big.

As for Active Sensors, you'll need a buttload of VERY high tech sensors in order to cover an entire system. Don't even try.

[andrea]

don't try you say? I'll try!

( target distance however is 10 billion Km, since active sensors don't stack as nicely as planetary passive sensors.)

[Bremen]

As for Active Sensors, you'll need a buttload of VERY high tech sensors in order to cover an entire system. Don't even try.

I put a single PDC with a size 50 active sensor on all of my colonies, along with a few missile bases with missile fire control and extremely long range missiles to match. In Sol the sensor on Earth covers out to between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn, and includes most of the system's jump points. If a war breaks out I also have plans for system defense FACs with box launchers that can take advantage of the provided sensor coverage to volley their missiles while undetected and then return to their hangars for a reload. Because those 1.5 billion kilometer range missiles cost a fortune.

That's not to say that deep space tracking stations are useless; they don't require populations to run, so I usually put 10-20 on a moon in any uninhabited system as a sort of garrison/early warning system. You can use the system map to tell what their ranges are vs a given emission rating; I aim for 700 since that's the thermal emissions rating of my fairly small survey ships.

Putting only tracking stations on an otherwise empty colony even causes the game to label it as a "listening post", so I assume it's intended gameplay.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I typically have my home world's detection systems as purely passive. I mean, once you get, say, 50 or so tracking stations, you can detect a missile launch out to the orbit of Mars or further.

[LordBucket]

Aurora

Forgive me if I don't read through all 315 pages of this thread, but I'm having some issues getting Aurora to work. I can start up the game just fine, but it seems to generate regular errors during gameplay, and in March of my first year it crashed. Some of the errors seem minor, like simply pressing the button to generate random ship class names half a dozen times generating a database error, to others that are totally gamebreaking, like the above mentioned fatal crash.

As many errors as I'm seeing doing such casual things as trying to design ship and advancing time...the game is unplayable. I mean, sure....I can do things and sometimes go 5-10 minutes without seeing an error message, but if the game has so many bugs that simply generating random ship names causes database errors, I'm not going to invest weeks to learn to play it only to run into bigger bugs later on.

So...questions:

1) Are others having these problems as well? Is this just how it is, or is my experience unusual? I've glanced through the Aurora forums, and I occassionally see others commenting that they "played a game for 60 years and then had to abandon it because it just stopped working." Is the game really in that bad condition, or is it more stable under certain versions of windows, or...what's the deal?

2) Are there other versions that are more stable? I'm using version 5.42. Is this an unstable version with known problems? Would I get more reliable gameplay using 5.4 or 4.91? If I used one of those versions instead, how much would I be missing out on?

3) Is it possible I'm installing it incorrectly? The install files seem very...poorly maintained. As is, I've installed by running the 4.91 executable, then unzipping the 5.4 files into the 4.91 install directory, then unzipping the 5.42 files in after that. From the directions spread out on each download, that appears to be the proper method. Is there something I've missed?