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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4140 on: April 05, 2011, 09:13:10 pm »

Of course, jump ships are only a temporary measure. But when building a jump gate, you also have to consider those can be used by friend and foe alike. You should naturally build a JG network to connect your colonies, but it's unadvisable to gate everywhere you go.
I tend to leave large orbital forts at my jump points leading into populated systems anyway, so anyone hostile would have to fight their way in, then fight their way past the forts on the other side, and only then would they encounter my defending fleets.

The 'forts' are little more than armored missile platforms really. Massive launchers, magazines, missile defense.

I also leave them at important areas like my orbital fuel refineries and asteroid supply depots. They've been fairly effective so far at deterring any interest in crossing into my space. I'm sure they show up as big scary blips on sensors.
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« Reply #4141 on: April 06, 2011, 07:05:39 pm »

Also, can you designate a ship to stay at a jump point and ferry ships automatically?
I don't think so.

Yes, you can. If there's a vessel with the correct jump drive type and tonnage allowance parked on the jump point, ships will be able to use it for standard transit from that side. Alternatively, you can include the jumpship in a TG and have it provide standard jump support, or squadron transit capabilities if the drive can take the number of ships in the group.

so... I DON'T have to reassign task groups (TGs) to make TGs without jump drives jump? I just have to tell them to do a standard transit and have a jump capable ship there?
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4142 on: April 06, 2011, 07:30:23 pm »

Should be a quick test to confirm it for yourself but that does seem to be what he's saying.

If that's the case though you don't even need to build jump gates, you could build stationary 'ships' with jump drives, tow them to the jump points and have them act like jumpgates while mounting a defense and not allowing enemies to pass through. :)
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4143 on: April 06, 2011, 07:38:11 pm »

Civilian shiplines are too stupid to use such a method.  You need jumpgates for your civilian economy.  But don't let it compromise your security.

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« Reply #4144 on: April 06, 2011, 07:46:11 pm »

Civilian shiplines are too stupid to use such a method.  You need jumpgates for your civilian economy.  But don't let it compromise your security.
So jumpgates between colonies and ship-gates for secure jump points where civilian shipping shouldn't be going anyway.

Or just build civilian ships with jump drives?
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« Reply #4145 on: April 06, 2011, 08:28:12 pm »

so... I DON'T have to reassign task groups (TGs) to make TGs without jump drives jump? I just have to tell them to do a standard transit and have a jump capable ship there?

Yep, that's right.

(...)Or just build civilian ships with jump drives?

Ships of the civilian sector travel exclusively through jump gates. They don't use jump drives.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4146 on: April 06, 2011, 09:07:33 pm »

Ships of the civilian sector travel exclusively through jump gates. They don't use jump drives.
Even if their design includes a jump drive? I didn't know that. Well that kills that idea.

So you'd want jumpgates only on 'safe' jump points between secure systems then, and stations jump fortress ships on border points.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4147 on: April 06, 2011, 09:29:50 pm »

At the minimum, you should have a one-sector buffer between systems connected by jumpgate and any NPR.  The warp aliens can destroy you no matter what, so don't worry too much about them.   :P

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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4148 on: April 06, 2011, 10:40:29 pm »

What would be a good method for finding a jump point? I sent an asteroid miner out to waypoints on the fringe of the solar system looking for some while my exploration ships are building but there's really been no luck so far.

As an aside, I totally blew my design for the miners, they are slow as balls and it took me forever to find out how actually make them mine. They're just supposed to sit on a colony and automatically mine, right?

I can't wait for the first NPR I come across to be an evil sonnovabitch and lay waste to my "empire", I've only just built my first warship, which is a corvette that takes a year and a half to build.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4149 on: April 06, 2011, 10:42:23 pm »

What would be a good method for finding a jump point? I sent an asteroid miner out to waypoints on the fringe of the solar system looking for some while my exploration ships are building but there's really been no luck so far.
You need to put Gravitational Sensors on a ship and search Survey points. Just sending asteroid miners out randomly does absolutely nothing.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2011, 10:45:33 pm by Tarran »
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4150 on: April 06, 2011, 11:15:13 pm »

What would be a good method for finding a jump point? I sent an asteroid miner out to waypoints on the fringe of the solar system looking for some while my exploration ships are building but there's really been no luck so far.
To put it bluntly,  you're doing it wrong. Research Jump Point Theory, research gravitational survey sensors, make a tiny ship with 1 engine, 1 fuel tank, 1 bridge, 2 grav survey sensors and whatever life support is necessary then pop that out and give it the primary order 'survey next 3 system locations'. It will run around surveying every jump point location until they're all done.
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4151 on: April 07, 2011, 11:00:53 am »

Doh. I get it now. That poor asteroid miner won't be near any mining colonies for the next two months.
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« Reply #4152 on: April 07, 2011, 03:31:21 pm »

Aurora is the sort of game where if it was a comercial game... the instruction manual would need to be shipped in seperately.
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« Reply #4153 on: April 07, 2011, 03:34:00 pm »

On that note, how the hell do I build missiles? My missile window only shows ICBMs but I just designed like 3 missile types.. My new corvettes are gonna need 'em..
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Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« Reply #4154 on: April 07, 2011, 03:36:30 pm »

Make sure you've researched them. Afterwards, go to Economics/Populations window>Industry>Left drop-down>Missiles. Start build'in.
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