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[Peewee]

So I just started following the tutorial. This is the first 4X game I've tried, so hopefully it's not too hard to understand.

... 3 min's later

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUHHGGGG THE CHARTS

gonna try to push through them

[Grendus]

Urgh, I had a fire control on it. Must have removed it when I accidentally put civilian class sensors on it. The fire control can target as far as the lasers can go.

The reason I went with lasers was kind of threefold. First, while plasma caronades are more powerful (someone said they use the missile templates), lasers drill straight down. If I want to do lethal damage fast, I reckon best way is to try to punch a hole all the way through their armor. Second, I was afraid they would warp far enough away that I would only get one or two caronade shots off. Since I lack the technology for long battles, I want to make sure I can hit them hard and fast should they be hostile. Third... I have no caronade technology. Granted, my laser tech isn't all that great either, but it's better than nothing. If I want missile firepower, I'll go with missiles for now.

[Tarran]

So I just started following the tutorial. This is the first 4X game I've tried, so hopefully it's not too hard to understand.

... 3 min's later

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUHHGGGG THE CHARTS

gonna try to push through them

Just don't get discouraged like a lot of others, just give it some time and you will blaze though it, don't be afraid to ask anything, and we will likely answer.



just try not to destroy humanity in a few years.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

My goal is to not destroy the world While I'm still on it.

[ThtblovesDF]

Well since the response before was good, I made some fighter designs, just to compare...

Stand alone version, /w sensor
Speed: 125 000 km/s
Damage max: 18 Missiles x 24 Damage warhead = 432 Damage from 4m km away.
Tonage: 180 tons

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Morning Star class Fighter    180 tons     19 Crew     148.5 BP      TCS 3.6  TH 450  EM 0
125000 km/s     Armour 1-2     Shields 0-0     Sensors 7/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1
Annual Failure Rate: 36%    IFR: 0.5%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 75 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years
Magazine 18   

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 450    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 5.0 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Size 1 Missile Launcher (1)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Missile Fire Control FC4-R1 (1)     Range 4.1m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 MP AM AS Deep Spike (18)  Speed: 99,000 km/s   End: 0.6m    Range: 3.6m km   WH: 24    Size: 1    TH: 330 / 198 / 99

Thermal Sensor TH0.1-7 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 7     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  7m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

I'd ditch the magazine, launchers and missiles and put a meson cannon on it. I'm not sure about its potential effect on weight and therefore speed, but with that kind of agility, equipping the spacecraft with very finite ordnance seems like a waste.

Done. I personally think thats not as effectiv, anyway here is the figher with a menson


Needs Sensor support
Speed: 76923 km/s
Damage max: Unlimited, given enough time... lower dmg output in the start though and only 175,000km range.
Needed to add engy. station, otherwise the fail rate would be to high.
Tonage: 292.5 tons

The menson cannon makes up over 50% of the ship and yeah... honestly I can't see this being much better.

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Montgisard class Drakar    292.5 tons     47 Crew     1780 BP      TCS 5.85  TH 4.5  EM 0
76923 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Annual Failure Rate: 2%    IFR: 0%    Maint Capacity 951 MSP    Max Repair 1230 MSP    Est Time: 7.03 Years

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%    Hyper Capable
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 3.1 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

R18/C25 Meson Cannon (1)    Range 175,000km     TS: 76923 km/s     Power 3-25     RM 18    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Fire Control S00.6 87.5-31250 H10 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 175,000 km   TS: 125000 km/s     94 89 83 77 71 66 60 54 49 43
Vacuum Energy Power Plant Technology PB-1.25 AR-0 (1)     Total Power Output 25    Armour 0    Exp 20%

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

And my personal fav:

Fighter bomber

50x30Dmg=1 500 Damage in a single blow... sure its kinda slow and helpless, but Daaaaaaam. I figure I could build a light variation with 750 dmg and twice the speed, but damm thats a fine piece!

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Montgisard class Fighter-bomber    457.5 tons     12 Crew     575 BP      TCS 9.15  TH 4.5  EM 0
49180 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 7.5
Annual Failure Rate: 6%    IFR: 0.1%    Maint Capacity 196 MSP    Max Repair 450 MSP    Est Time: 3.13 Years
Magazine 50   

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%    Hyper Capable
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 2.0 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Size 1 Box Launcher (50)    Missile Size 1    Hangar Reload 7.5 minutes    MF Reload 1.2 hours
Size 1 BOMB-OMB (50)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 30    Size: 1    TH: 0 / 0 / 0

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

[Earthquake Damage]

How do you tow ships?  You need a tractor beam, of course, but what orders do you give to which TG?

[Tarran]

How do you tow ships?  You need a tractor beam, of course, but what orders do you give to which TG?

Ship screen, misc tab, in there somewhere.

[Sowelu]

So I just started following the tutorial. This is the first 4X game I've tried, so hopefully it's not too hard to understand.

... 3 min's later

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUHHGGGG THE CHARTS

gonna try to push through them

NNNNNOOOOO, go play Master of Orion 1 or 2, or Civ/Alpha Centauri (if you consider those 4X games) first.  You don't want to get a bad impression of the genre.

[Tarran]

So I just started following the tutorial. This is the first 4X game I've tried, so hopefully it's not too hard to understand.

... 3 min's later

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUHHGGGG THE CHARTS

gonna try to push through them

NNNNNOOOOO, go play Master of Orion 1 or 2, or Civ/Alpha Centauri (if you consider those 4X games) first.  You don't want to get a bad impression of the genre.

'Losing is FUN!' but remember that this game is much more complex, so give it a try after you get used to 4X games, because there are so few members between both of the forums.

[Peewee]

But... Losing is Fun!

Any pointers for making earth uninhabitable within the first month?

[Zangi]

Conventional start and missiles and the ICBM platforms floating above Earth.  See what you can do with that.

[Metalax]

Well since the response before was good, I made some fighter designs, just to compare...

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Morning Star class Fighter    180 tons     19 Crew     148.5 BP      TCS 3.6  TH 450  EM 0
125000 km/s     Armour 1-2     Shields 0-0     Sensors 7/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1
Annual Failure Rate: 36%    IFR: 0.5%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 75 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years
Magazine 18   

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 450    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 5.0 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Size 1 Missile Launcher (1)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Missile Fire Control FC4-R1 (1)     Range 4.1m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 MP AM AS Deep Spike (18)  Speed: 99,000 km/s   End: 0.6m    Range: 3.6m km   WH: 24    Size: 1    TH: 330 / 198 / 99

Thermal Sensor TH0.1-7 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 7     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  7m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

I'd put more launchers on the fighter. As it is you will be firing salvoes of a single missile which will be much easier for point defence to shoot down all of them. If you haven't got reduced size launchers yet, research them as soon as you can. Strip off the current launcher and magazine and replace with an equal tonnage of box launchers.

As has been discussed many times in this thread your warheads on your missiles could do with being increased to size 25 so as to give penetration to another armour level.

Personally I'd add CompactSmall craft ECM and CompactSmall craft ECCM to your design if you have them, as these can quite significantly effect your fighters survivability and ability to hit with those missiles.

I wouldn't bother putting thermal sensors on a combat fighter, as more than one in a squadron is essentially wasted space. If you want your fighter squadron to have passive sensors it is better to design a dedicated sensor fighter to accompany the combat fighters. As the above design lacks active sensors, you could add those to your sensor fighter to allow the squadron to operate outside the sensor envelope of their baseship.

edit:Just had a play around with an all tech game.

Missile fighter set up to spam size 1 missiles.

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Vanguard class Fighter    500 tons     15 Crew     634 BP      TCS 10  TH 4.5  EM 0
45000 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 7.5
Annual Failure Rate: 100%    IFR: 1.4%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 300 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years
Magazine 50   

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 1.8 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Size 1 Box Launcher (50)    Missile Size 1    Hangar Reload 7.5 minutes    MF Reload 1.2 hours
Missile Fire Control FC4-R1 (10%) (1)     Range 4.1m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 Fighter ASM (50)  Speed: 46,500 km/s   End: 1.5m    Range: 4.1m km   WH: 25    Size: 1    TH: 604 / 362 / 181

Small Craft ECCM-5 (1)         ECM 50

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

The sensor-fighter to accompany each squadron.

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Invincible class Fighter-Scout    500 tons     51 Crew     4102 BP      TCS 10  TH 4.5  EM 0
45000 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 0-0     Sensors 75/68/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 100%    IFR: 1.4%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 3240 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 1.8 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Active Search Sensor MR81-R1 (10%) (1)     GPS 1080     Range 81.0m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-75 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 75     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  75m km
EM Detection Sensor EM0.9-67.5 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 67.5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  67.5m km

ECM 50

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes


As you've been going with smaller faster fighters heres a variant that sticks to that theme.

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Illustrious class Fighter    185 tons     15 Crew     608.8 BP      TCS 3.7  TH 4.5  EM 0
121621 km/s     Armour 1-2     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1.2
Annual Failure Rate: 37%    IFR: 0.5%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 300 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years
Magazine 8   

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 4.9 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Size 1 Box Launcher (8)    Missile Size 1    Hangar Reload 7.5 minutes    MF Reload 1.2 hours
Missile Fire Control FC4-R1 (10%) (1)     Range 4.1m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 ASM Mk II (8)  Speed: 121,500 km/s   End: 0.6m    Range: 4.1m km   WH: 16    Size: 1    TH: 4009 / 2405 / 1202

Small Craft ECCM-5 (1)         ECM 50

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

It's associated sensor-fighter.

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Broadsword class Fighter-Scout    185 tons     20 Crew     1150 BP      TCS 3.7  TH 4.5  EM 0
121621 km/s     Armour 1-2     Shields 0-0     Sensors 30/30/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 37%    IFR: 0.5%    Maint Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 540 MSP    Est Time: 0 Years

FTR Photonic Drive E200 (1)    Power 450    Fuel Use 2000%    Signature 4.5    Armour 0    Exp 175%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 4.9 billion km   (11 hours at full power)

Active Search Sensor MR13-R1 (10%) (1)     GPS 180     Range 13.5m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH0.4-30 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 30     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  30m km
EM Detection Sensor EM0.4-30 (10%) (1)     Sensitivity 30     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  30m km

ECM 50

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

As you can see from comparing the two missile variants a size 25 warhead is really too big to go on a size 1 missile even at max tech. The size 16 warhead variant is both much faster as well as having a far higher chance to hit.

[Micro102]

It looks like you instantly researched every tech through SM mode and then made that thing O_O

[Tarran]

But... Losing is Fun!

Any pointers for making earth uninhabitable within the first month?

SM 1000 Terraforming facility's, 10bill pop, add neon, see where it goes.

It looks like you instantly researched every tech through SM mode and then made that thing O_O

well, either they spent hundreds of years playing, or, like me, they added a fully researched save.

[Metalax]

But... Losing is Fun!

Any pointers for making earth uninhabitable within the first month?

SM 1000 Terraforming facility's, 10bill pop, add neon, see where it goes.

Neon? nah, go with Iodine. 

It looks like you instantly researched every tech through SM mode and then made that thing O_O

well, either they spent hundreds of years playing, or, like me, they added a fully researched save.

Yep, in order to get a full tech game to play around with follow these instructions.

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Activate sm mode, go to the research tab of the F2 screen and along the bottom hit the all research button. Put in a value of 10000000 and hit ok. after a little processing you will have a game with all tech researched.