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[Grendus]

A mine huh? Interesting. Might explore it again, there was some wreckage nearby, assuming there aren't many more (might send in an anti-missile ship) might be Precursor wrecks.



I'm getting to really hate the Precursors.

[narskie]

The precursors sounds a lot like the Guardians in MOO.  I'm almost finished my first jump capable ship, so I'm eager to have contact with them or maybe another race. 

I've already colonized Mars, and have loaded some terraforming units there.  Is getting O2 to about .15 or so the best initial route?  Also what's the best route to make Titan more habitable? 

Can gravity ever be altered?  It seems strange that with infrastructure humans can live in extreme tempuratures with an oxygen-free, crushing atmosphere but gravity remains an insurmountable barrier.

[Another]

I'll post some of my designs for your amusement.

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Ark Royal-1 class Dreadnought    58250 tons     1492 Crew     5767 BP      TCS 1165  TH 1500  EM 0
1287 km/s     Armour 30-133     Shields 0-0     Sensors 6/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 41     PPV 40
Annual Failure Rate: 662%    IFR: 9.2%    Maint Capacity 3537 MSP    Max Repair 160 MSP    Est Time: 2.11 Years

Nuclear Pulse Engine E0.8 (15)    Power 100    Fuel Use 8%    Signature 100    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 200 000 Litres    Range 77.2 billion km   (694 days at full power)

Twin 12cm C1 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (4x2)    Range 120 000km     TS: 12500 km/s     Power 8-2     RM 3    ROF 20        4 4 4 3 2 2 1 1 1 1
CIWS-80 (20x2)    Range 1000 km     TS: 8000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Fire Control S16 64-8000 (1)    Max Range: 128 000 km   TS: 8000 km/s     92 84 77 69 61 53 45 37 30 22
Pebble Bed Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (1)     Total Power Output 9    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor S80-R1 (1)     GPS 80     Range 800k km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor S160-R75 (1)     GPS 12000     Range 120.0m km    Resolution 75
Thermal Sensor TH1-6 (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  6m km

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

^This was my first reaction to missile armed precursors in 4.91 game. As you can see - conventional start + I had good luck with starting duranium and neutronium on Earth. It actually caused 3 NPR ships to spend all their missiles and had its armor dented to about 17-19 depth in one place and about 10 (1/3 of total) on average. Mission accomplished, laugh if you want. I would not recommend designing any military ships on this tech level as you'll be able to upgrade all vital techs by the time your first ship is ready.

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Oak-2 class Dreadnought    60000 tons     4920 Crew     14878.4 BP      TCS 1200  TH 3200  EM 18000
2666 km/s     Armour 15-136     Shields 600-300     Sensors 220/220/0/0     Damage Control Rating 62     PPV 200
Annual Failure Rate: 553%    IFR: 7.7%    Maint Capacity 9059 MSP    Max Repair 372 MSP    Est Time: 2.47 Years
Flag Bridge   

Magneto-plasma Mil E7 (40)    Power 80    Fuel Use 70%    Signature 80    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 2 000 000 Litres    Range 85.7 billion km   (372 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/21 Shields (200)   Total Fuel Cost  4 200 Litres per day

Quad 15cm C6 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (10x4)    Range 320 000km     TS: 12500 km/s     Power 24-24     RM 6    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 4 3
CIWS-200-4 (20x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 20000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Fire Control S08 160-10000 (5)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Stellator Reactor-4 (10)     Total Power Output 240    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR173-R75 (1)     GPS 15750     Range 173.3m km    Resolution 75
Active Search Sensor MR2-R1 (1)     GPS 210     Range 2.3m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH20-220 (1)     Sensitivity 220     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  220m km
EM Detection Sensor EM20-220 (1)     Sensitivity 220     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  220m km

ECCM-1 (2)         ECM 20

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

This is my "go on, try to hurt me" flagman ship in my new 5.02 game 7 months from leaving the shipyard. Again its main purpose is to attract missiles and provide active sensor illumination of the battlefield. Of course it won't catch anyone but it should be solid on the defensive side.

I am aware of swarms of fast meson gunboat fleets - so the flagship should be followed by 1 or 2 carriers like this:

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Flower class Carrier    35000 tons     1467 Crew     4414.8 BP      TCS 700  TH 2000  EM 0
2857 km/s     Armour 10-95     Shields 0-0     Sensors 220/220/0/0     Damage Control Rating 45     PPV 20
Annual Failure Rate: 280%    IFR: 3.9%    Maint Capacity 4759 MSP    Max Repair 372 MSP    Est Time: 2.52 Years
Hangar Deck Capacity 10000 tons     

Magneto-plasma Civ E0.7 (10)    Power 200    Fuel Use 7%    Signature 200    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 1 200 000 Litres    Range 881.6 billion km   (3571 days at full power)

Quad 15cm C6 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (1x4)    Range 320 000km     TS: 12500 km/s     Power 24-24     RM 6    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 4 3
Fire Control S08 160-10000 (1)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Stellator Reactor-4 (1)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR17-R75 (1)     GPS 1575     Range 17.3m km    Resolution 75
Active Search Sensor MR0-R1 (1)     GPS 21     Range 231k km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor MR3-R16 (1)     GPS 336     Range 3.7m km    Resolution 16
Thermal Sensor TH20-220 (1)     Sensitivity 220     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  220m km
EM Detection Sensor EM20-220 (1)     Sensitivity 220     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  220m km

ECCM-1 (1)         ECM 20

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

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Gladius-2 class Fast Attack Craft    900 tons     112 Crew     239.5 BP      TCS 18  TH 184  EM 0
10222 km/s     Armour 2-8     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 5
Annual Failure Rate: 6%    IFR: 0.1%    Maint Capacity 166 MSP    Max Repair 60 MSP    Est Time: 8.74 Years

GB Magneto-plasma Drive E91 (1)    Power 184    Fuel Use 910%    Signature 184    Armour 0    Exp 36%
Fuel Capacity 40 000 Litres    Range 8.8 billion km   (9 days at full power)

Particle Torpedo-2 (1)    Range 150 000km     TS: 10222 km/s     Power 5-5    ROF 5        2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Fire Control S02 80-5000 (1)    Max Range: 160 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     94 88 81 75 69 62 56 50 44 38
Stellator Reactor-1 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR3-R16 (1)     GPS 336     Range 3.7m km    Resolution 16

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

I've already cleared one system from a mix of torpedo and missile precursors with light (under 6 k tons) plasma carronade armed cruisers and 1.5 k tons heavy gunboats but the losses were dire and I could lose with some bad luck or smarter precursor tactics. I don't recommend plasma carronades at all. (Lack of res.1 sensors was a mistake. Plasma carronades were an experiment.)

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Cingulum class Cruiser    5800 tons     714 Crew     1085 BP      TCS 116  TH 720  EM 0
6206 km/s     Armour 4-28     Shields 0-0     Sensors 8/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 36
Annual Failure Rate: 67%    IFR: 0.9%    Maint Capacity 468 MSP    Max Repair 120 MSP    Est Time: 2.93 Years

Magneto-plasma Mil E7 (9)    Power 80    Fuel Use 70%    Signature 80    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 150 000 Litres    Range 66.5 billion km   (124 days at full power)

30cm C6 Plasma Carronade (4)    Range 240 000km     TS: 6206 km/s     Power 24-6     RM 1    ROF 20        24 12 8 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S04 160-5000 (1)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Stellator Reactor-4 (1)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR17-R75 (1)     GPS 1575     Range 17.3m km    Resolution 75
Active Search Sensor MR3-R16 (1)     GPS 336     Range 3.7m km    Resolution 16
Thermal Sensor TH1-8 (1)     Sensitivity 8     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  8m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

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Drusus-2 class Cruiser    1450 tons     167 Crew     356.5 BP      TCS 29  TH 184  EM 0
6344 km/s     Armour 4-11     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 9
Annual Failure Rate: 16%    IFR: 0.2%    Maint Capacity 154 MSP    Max Repair 120 MSP    Est Time: 3.41 Years

GB Magneto-plasma Drive E91 (1)    Power 184    Fuel Use 910%    Signature 184    Armour 0    Exp 36%
Fuel Capacity 50 000 Litres    Range 6.8 billion km   (12 days at full power)

30cm C6 Plasma Carronade (1)    Range 240 000km     TS: 6344 km/s     Power 24-6     RM 1    ROF 20        24 12 8 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S04 160-5000 (1)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Stellator Reactor-1 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR3-R16 (1)     GPS 336     Range 3.7m km    Resolution 16

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Next time I'll probably design Strike Cruisers around short range area PD and long range Microwaves idea.

[Tarran]

If I had to say anything about the ships, it would be to increase fuel efficiency, that's a lot of fuel to the dump, speed is decent, and I realize how much of a fuel speed maniac I am, but some faster ship (other than the FAC) would really help greatly, and start researching some gauss before I have to go through why its better than lasers.

PS: my internet was acting REALLY strange today, this is about the third time I got on today, after cutting out for hours!

[Grendus]

Question about missile warheads: How do you get laser warheads. I don't see any research for that, are there prereqs or something?

[Greiger]

I think far x-ray lasers are the prereq.  I may have misremembered though.

[Greenbane]

I wonder how you're supposed to research the most expensive techs, those that cost over 200,000 RP. Even with the best scientists, one of such projects would take a decade or more!

[forsaken1111]

I wonder how you're supposed to research the most expensive techs, those that cost over 200,000 RP. Even with the best scientists, one of such projects would take a decade or more!

Better lab tech?

[Greenbane]

The 500 RP upgrade already costs 80,000 RP.

[Grendus]

The hardest part is finding the ideal researcher for the task. You would, in theory, want a researcher with a 30% boost who can manage 45 labs. At 500 RP per year per lab, we're looking at 22500 RP per year, plus 120% for the bonus puts it at 49500 . That's a little over 4 years for a 200,000 RP project in an ideal situation.


I think it would be kind of cool if, in a later version, you actually encountered small bands of precursors, trying to hide from whatever it was that wiped them out.

Edit: math fail.

Edit 2: How's this for a missile?

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Size 13.5 Anti-Ship Missile

Missile Size: 13.5 MSP  (0.675 HS)     Warhead: 16    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 24
Speed: 24400 km/s    Endurance: 11 minutes   Range: 16.6m km
Cost Per Missile: 9.85
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 585.6%   3k km/s 192%   5k km/s 117.1%   10k km/s 58.6%
Materials Required:    4x Tritanium   10.05x Gallicite   Fuel x2500

Development Cost for Project: 985RP

[Greenbane]

Not a bad missile.

As for researchers, well, the best one I have has a 40% bonus (Defensive Systems specialization) and the ability to manage 30 labs. Superb in his field, but I don't have anyone anywhere near that good in other fields.

I've been spending over three years, almost four, researching Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive Technology (60,000 RP, I think). The researcher responsible has a 25% bonus (Power and Propulsion specialization) and can handle only 20 labs: 16000 annual RP, considering 400 RP lab tech. Not even this kind of scientist is the norm, as bonuses over 15% are pretty rare in my experience. Some people get better as they work, but that's very rare as well, from my point of view.

[Grendus]

I have four above 15%, six above 10%. I finally got a SF researcher with 15%, before that I was using my 30% Defense researcher for his large raw bonus and decent lab management skills. Still, research is something you have to work at. Makes it worth getting, there's definitely a difference between, say, a strength 9 particle torpedo and a strength 2 particle torpedo (assuming you have the capacitor and reactor tech to back it up). That's what makes researching RP so important. 500 RP is more than twice the base level, even if it shuts down your research it's a good investment in the long run.

Time to start harvesting sorium. I processed most of my stock on earth and nearby planets already (barring difficult sources like Venus), and missiles use a lot of fuel apparently.

[Journier]

get more naval academies for more researchers with higher bonus's. One of my Aurora steam group people lives by spamming them.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

I tend to make about 10 academy's and my current game 16 years in has a 30%, 2 25%, 5 15%, and a gagle of lower %'s. I actually had 2 30% but the secound was also 30% at the skill the geo team uses so he ended up there.

[Another]

I also spam 10 academies at the start and after 40 years of researching one of my scientists is now at 65% bonus. 40-45% is not so rare after training.

Always train your best in each field by giving them at least 1 lab and a long project.

Never have anyone who you intend to use later without a project in the queue. Three reasons: 1. Automatic retirement if one is too old and has no current assignment. 2. They would miss an opportunity to get better in that economic time increment. 3. Some research points are added to the queued project in that time increment instead of wasting the spillover from the finished one.