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[Journier]

ECCM counters the effect of ECM on the target for the fire-control it is attached to.

heres the question i was wondering, if i have 4 fire controls do i need 4 eccm's? or just 1?.....

[ThtblovesDF]

4 I asume or you can switch the eccm to the fire control you want it at...

[Journier]

4 I asume or you can switch the eccm to the fire control you want it at...

I think ill try 4... i have no clue on that portion of game.

[Journier]

Here is the current Empires Navy, feel free to comment and rip it apart.


The Empires current ideal is a Heavily armored fleet with strong shielding on its larger ships to protect from first strikes.

here is my missile boat,

100 size 1 launchers at 50% size decrease, works pretty solid, even against AI empires that are heavy PD missile users, as the last empire i fought was, he was taking 30-40 of my size 1 missiles out per salvo for the first few salvo's till a lucky strike took out his magazines! Cant stop a spam of size 1 missiles.

Veteran of the last 2 intersteller wars, the first in 2046 against our now extinct neighbors who were insects and then some more insects in the alpha centauri system in 2060.

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Missile Boat class Cruiser    10150 tons     682 Crew     2224.6 BP      TCS 203  TH 160  EM 450
1576 km/s     Armour 10-41     Shields 15-300     Sensors 55/55/0/0     Damage Control Rating 18     PPV 50
Annual Failure Rate: 103%    IFR: 1.4%    Maint Capacity 5096 MSP    Max Repair 420 MSP    Est Time: 4.36 Years
Magazine 406   

Mil M-P-Drive E5 (4)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres    Range 159.6 billion km   (1171 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/15 Shields (5)   Total Fuel Cost  75 Litres per day

Size 1 Missile Launcher (50% Reduction) (100)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 50
Missile Fire Control FC92-R10 (50%) (1)     Range 92.4m km    Resolution 10
2056 Size 1 AS Missile (406)  Speed: 16,000 km/s   End: 75m    Range: 72m km   WH: 5    Size: 1    TH: 96 / 57 / 28

Active Search Sensor MR15-R10 (50%) (1)     GPS 1400     Range 15.4m km    Resolution 10
Thermal Sensor TH5-55 (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  55m km
EM Detection Sensor EM5-55 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  55m km

then..

My first and continously updated Battleship.

It is the Empires diamond in the night. Fitted recently with upgraded 20,000 TS Turrets, she should be more capable now than ever at taking care of point defense for the fleet, while also being capable of dishing out incredible amounts of damage per second.

The Original Star Knight was built as of August 21, 2050 and got into the last war, but proved not so useful against the heavy missile based Insects at Alpha Centauri. So I brought them all in and refitted them with high 20k TS turrets, and made them all Quad laser turrets. Now 5,000 tons heavier that the last refitted model.

The refit was pondered upon but never enacted for more than 5 years until the last war. In Alpha Centauri about 16 million clicks from the Jump Gate, the fleet of 4 Star Knights being escorted by 8 Missile Boats, suddenly had their sensors lit up by over 80 incoming enemy missiles. As the enemy missiles flew in through the fleet  the Star Knights let loose with their original 20x10cm UV lasers with outdated turrets, but all for nothing. The enemy missiles came in so fast that 1 out of every 8 shots hit and many of them came for the leading Star Knight Battleship. She went down in flames as the crew ran for life pods, exploding as her power plants began getting taken out. If it were not for her gallant race to protect other ships in the fleet as she blew, the battle may have been lost. To Honor her death, the Empires Navy took it upon itself to never allow another loss to happen like that again and began the refit process on all currently operational Star Knights.

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Star Knight class Battleship    31600 tons     2551 Crew     6848.8 BP      TCS 632  TH 880  EM 900
2784 km/s     Armour 20-89     Shields 30-300     Sensors 55/55/0/0     Damage Control Rating 55     PPV 144
Annual Failure Rate: 228%    IFR: 3.2%    Maint Capacity 10741 MSP    Max Repair 259 MSP    Est Time: 5.53 Years

Mil M-P-Drive E5 (22)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 750,000 Litres    Range 85.4 billion km   (355 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/15 Shields (10)   Total Fuel Cost  150 Litres per day

Quad PD 10cm UV Laser Turret (8x4)    Range 90,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 12-16     RM 3    ROF 5        3 3 3 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
CIWS-160 (4x2)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
PD S12 96-16000 H40 (4)    Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
Stellarator Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (22)     Total Power Output 132    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR15-R10 (50%) (1)     GPS 1400     Range 15.4m km    Resolution 10
Thermal Sensor TH5-55 (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  55m km
EM Detection Sensor EM5-55 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  55m km

ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

And no fleet is complete without a Command and Control ship.

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Command and Control class Cruiser    27800 tons     2230 Crew     7613.5 BP      TCS 556  TH 960  EM 540
3453 km/s     Armour 8-81     Shields 18-300     Sensors 550/550/0/0     Damage Control Rating 50     PPV 72
Annual Failure Rate: 206%    IFR: 2.9%    Maint Capacity 15135 MSP    Max Repair 2100 MSP    Est Time: 2.17 Years
Flag Bridge   

Mil M-P-Drive E5 (24)    Power 80    Fuel Use 50%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 850,000 Litres    Range 110.1 billion km   (368 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/15 Shields (6)   Total Fuel Cost  90 Litres per day

Quad PD Gauss Cannon R4-100 Turret (2x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
CIWS-160 (1x2)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
PD S12 96-16000 H40 (2)    Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48

C4I Sensor R154-R10 (50%) (1)     GPS 14000     Range 154.0m km    Resolution 10
C4I Thermal Sensor TH50-550 (1)     Sensitivity 550     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  550m km
C4IEM Detection Sensor EM50-550 (1)     Sensitivity 550     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  550m km

ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

and dont forget the support vessels that keeps those fleets out from the Home system and fully stocked with fuel, ammunition, and supplies.

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Fleet Support Vessel class Freighter    87400 tons     2680 Crew     10244.4 BP      TCS 1748  TH 2000  EM 0
2288 km/s     Armour 10-175     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Capacity 100073 MSP    Max Repair 75 MSP
Cargo Handling Multiplier 10   

Civ M-P-Drive E0.5 (20)    Power 200    Fuel Use 5%    Signature 100    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 25,000,000 Litres    Range 10296.0 billion km   (52083 days at full power)

CIWS-160 (10x2)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a commercial vessel for maintenance purposes

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Fleet Ammunition Collier class Freighter    99000 tons     2880 Crew     10196.8 BP      TCS 1980  TH 2000  EM 0
2020 km/s     Armour 10-190     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 21     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 3733%    IFR: 51.9%    Maint Capacity 41352 MSP    Max Repair 75 MSP    Est Time: 4.95 Years
Magazine 15300    Cargo Handling Multiplier 10   

Civ M-P-Drive E0.5 (20)    Power 200    Fuel Use 5%    Signature 100    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 5,000,000 Litres    Range 1818.0 billion km   (10416 days at full power)

CIWS-160 (10x2)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

[Greiger]

Those precursors will send a ton of missiles your way, NPRs don't seem to send quite as many,  Biggest salvo I ever saw from an NPR so far is 30 size 1 missiles.  Of course I have no idea what the ships tech level was, so they could potentially fire more.

But really, missile precursors will eat you alive with missiles, they always overwhelm my PD.   The Zapp Brannigan Maneuver seems to work though if you really need to get rid of them.  Once they are out of missiles they are cake.  Delicious and moist.

P.S. The Zapp Brannigan maneuver may not work as well now that they don't unload every missile at a single target one at a time anymore.  I used to launch a swarm of fighters, turn their transponders on and watch them waste 300 missiles against a single fighter every turn til they are out of ammo, then strike.  That's what transponders are good for, when you want to make sure your opponent sees something like a decoy.

[Journier]

havent dont the zapp brannigan maneuver yet, but probably wont either, hate to ruin the feel of the game by doing something like that.

[SpiredWarrior]

The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games

Does it have magma/lava as a resource?

[Greenbane]

Quick question: how do civilian contracts work?

[Journier]

Quick question: how do civilian contracts work?

set up a demand and supply contract.

supply at say your homeworld for infrastructure.

then demand contract at a colony.

the civilians will take care of the rest.

[Greenbane]

Hmm. So, say, they'll transport 200 infrastructure from Earth to Mars? Is this done behind the scenes or must a civilian company have some real freighters before it happens? I designed some commercial ships (colony ship, freighter and luxury liner), but I don't know if I'm supposed to build them so that the civvies take them over, or wait till they somehow build the ships themselves.

[Journier]

Hmm. So, say, they'll transport 200 infrastructure from Earth to Mars? Is this done behind the scenes or must a civilian company have some real freighters before it happens? I designed some commercial ships (colony ship, freighter and luxury liner), but I don't know if I'm supposed to build them so that the civvies take them over, or wait till they somehow build the ships themselves.

yes, with both contracts enabled for supply and then demand they will transport 200 or 500000 infrastructure to the planet you ask them to when they can. Its not free though, you pay them for their work out of your wealth screen.

I dont think the civilians start building ships until you actually found and colonize your first planet, then they begin generating ships that will carry things for you. You dont give them the ships they are built... offscreen i guess abstracted as they get the money (or you subsidize them to help them grow with your empire faster)

No, the civilians dont do any transporting behind the scenes abstracted.

Hit cntrl + L and youll pull up the civilian trading fleet screen.

[Greiger]

Civilians pull their resources out from thin air for ships which was one thing that worried me for a bit.  I was worried that the civvies were using up my precious shiny metals for their stuff, but they don't and that is a good thing.

Just so you know, civilians can also transport infrastructure on their own(that they also generate from thin air) but it's a little unreliable.  And there needs to be population on the planet near max capacity they are shipping to. So if you have healthy civilian shipping, the infrastructure and population on a colony can slowly increase without any input from you.  I think you can just speed it up with the colony civvy supply and demands tab with the minor tradeoff of producing your own infrastructure.

[Journier]

Civilians pull their resources out from thin air for ships which was one thing that worried me for a bit.  I was worried that the civvies were using up my precious shiny metals for their stuff, but they don't and that is a good thing.

Just so you know, civilians can also transport infrastructure on their own(that they also generate from thin air) but it's a little unreliable.  And there needs to be population on the planet near max capacity they are shipping to. So if you have healthy civilian shipping, the infrastructure and population on a colony can slowly increase without any input from you.  I think you can just speed it up with the colony civvy supply and demands tab with the minor tradeoff of producing your own infrastructure.

I didnt know they could do that! nice...

except I have never seen that work or it must work so.... unamazingly that i always set up contracts / use my fleet of cargo vessels to mass move 5000 infrastructure to start off a colony.

[forsaken1111]

The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games

Does it have magma/lava as a resource?

Considering all of the resources are mined from the core of the planets...

[Micro102]

ThtblovesDF: Yeah, it's irritating but that's how it goes. Missiles have such huge advantages over the "conventional" weapons it's not even funny. 200x the range of lasers. So much higher damage potential. Generally cheap. Act as meat shields. The list goes on.

I wish I knew how ECM and ECCM worked though, because I knew when the AI built a ship with countermeasures on it, it made my life a living hell as I could never target it with the missiles.. Do ECM and ECCM stack? What's the bonuses?

I think though, when you reach max tech, missiles become much less effective as it costs someone a lot less to build 300 PD and ECM up the arse than to outfit a ship with 300 launchers and missiles. Not to mention the PD essentially last forever whereas missiles have to be reloaded. Nothing wrong with a couple of 100 million ton ships duking it out with each other at less than 1 million km with mesons and railguns.

i just had 5 ships with 4 sets of 5 10cm lasers on it with fire control and with turrets, and the damn things only knocked 15 missiles out of space per salvo, ffffffffff 15 out of 80 missiles DOES NOT HELP ME FFFF

haha

eta-
I have no idea if ECM stacks or what.

Did you have an individual fire control for every laser? 1 fire control for 4 lasers will still only destroy 1 missile at a time.


Also, for those ships with the very high annual failure rate (3373%)....prepare to get something breaking every 10 days for EACH SHIP....there goes your minerals for maintenance supplies.