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[QuakeIV]

No, as far as I know those are hard coded.  You'd have to ask steve to change it in the next update.

[Flying Dice]

I'm not hugely experienced with shields so I don't know the recharge rate, but you have quite a lot of shielding.  Should be extremely effective.

e:  Laser is considerably better in terms of range.  You still need to catch people in most fleet fights but it should work fine defensively, especially if you order it to begin pursuit as soon as the hostiles start moving.

That's actually very, very little shielding. The format IIRC is [shield strength]-[shield recharge rate]. The 42-450 means that the ship has a total of 42 points of shields--that is, the shields at full will soak 42 points of damage before they go down, which is absolute rubbish--and that the shields will recharge 450 strength every 300 seconds (or 7.5 points each 5-second tick). Basically they'll charge from naught to full in 28 seconds, but only a couple of hits will bring them down. There's no point using shields unless you use them en masse.

By way of comparison, that battleship class I was using to clear out invaders had 500-300 shields (that is to say, 500 points of shield strength) and those still got mauled pretty badly.

Admittedly it's a tad confusing because the internal format for the shields is [shieldname/strength][recharge time][fuel consumption], so for example you'll design something called a "Theta R240/240 Shield", but what that actually means is that each shield provides Theta-level protection (4 points; they scale by 0.5 per level from Alpha-Epsilon and then start increasing by 1 per level), takes 240s to recharge, and costs 240 liters of fuel each day you have it active. Then, if you add five of those to a ship, you've got a total of 20 points of protection.

[QuakeIV]

Misread that, I thought it had 450 shields.

[Chiefwaffles]

How do you update armor in designs, anyways? Like if a design (that I can modify) was created when I had an earlier armor tech, and I want to update the design to have my current armor tech now.

[bluephoenix]

How do you update armor in designs, anyways? Like if a design (that I can modify) was created when I had an earlier armor tech, and I want to update the design to have my current armor tech now.

There is a button in the design window called "new armour" next to the "lock" button that you have to click.

Different question to you guys, I'm still running version 6.21 with a great game I don't want to loose, is it worth it to update to 7.1 or should I wait till 7.2 gets released?

[Erkki]

Still stuck with lasers only, I'm thinking about building a new patch of ships with more modern equipment. Using just a single fire control is intentional to save weight - I doubt they will ever need to use the main weapon and 10 cm ones at the same time against different targets.

I have 3 x 12,000 in one yard and 3 and 4 6,000 ton slipways on two other yards, so I've designed the ships to fit those again. I hope their similar speed is convenient too.

I was thinking about building three cruisers and three or four squadrons of destroyers, one DDL each plus a possible reserve one.

Can I build the DDs, or even 2 of them, on a yard without retooling?

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M84 ACR class Armoured Cruiser    12 000 tons     277 Crew     3090 BP      TCS 240  TH 1600  EM 0
6666 km/s     Armour 15-46     Shields 0-0     Sensors 84/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 7     PPV 34.55
Maint Life 2.5 Years     MSP 1127    AFR 164%    IFR 2.3%    1YR 250    5YR 3746    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 11 months    Spare Berths 1   
Cryogenic Berths 400   

Boström International 400 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (4)    Power 400    Fuel Use 55.9%    Signature 400    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 500 000 Litres    Range 13.4 billion km   (23 days at full power)

Bell Space & Security 25cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 480 000km     TS: 6666 km/s     Power 16-4     RM 5    ROF 20        16 16 16 16 16 13 11 10 8 8
Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1
Fire Control S08 240-20000 (1)    Max Range: 480 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Jönsson Aircraft Engine TFRT PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR231-R140 (1)     GPS 19600     Range 231.9m km    Resolution 140
Active Search Sensor MR3-R1 (1)     GPS 28     Range 3.9m km    MCR 427k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH6-84 (1)     Sensitivity 84     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  84m km



M84 DDL class Destroyer Leader    6 000 tons     170 Crew     1780 BP      TCS 120  TH 800  EM 0
6666 km/s     Armour 6-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 84/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 26.55
Maint Life 1.44 Years     MSP 371    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 198    5YR 2971    Max Repair 540 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Spare Berths 0   

Boström International 400 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (2)    Power 400    Fuel Use 55.9%    Signature 400    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 13.4 billion km   (23 days at full power)

Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1
Fire Control S06 180-20000 (1)    Max Range: 360 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     97 94 92 89 86 83 81 78 75 72
Jönsson Aircraft Engine TFRT PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR231-R140 (1)     GPS 19600     Range 231.9m km    Resolution 140
Active Search Sensor MR3-R1 (1)     GPS 28     Range 3.9m km    MCR 427k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH6-84 (1)     Sensitivity 84     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  84m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes



M84 DD class Destroyer    6 000 tons     178 Crew     1780 BP      TCS 120  TH 800  EM 0
6666 km/s     Armour 6-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 34.55
Maint Life 1.33 Years     MSP 371    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 224    5YR 3362    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 9 months    Spare Berths 2   
Cryogenic Berths 200   

Boström International 400 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (2)    Power 400    Fuel Use 55.9%    Signature 400    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 13.4 billion km   (23 days at full power)

Bell Space & Security 25cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 480 000km     TS: 6666 km/s     Power 16-4     RM 5    ROF 20        16 16 16 16 16 13 11 10 8 8
Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1
Fire Control S08 240-20000 (1)    Max Range: 480 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Jönsson Aircraft Engine TFRT PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%



M84 DDE AMSE class Destroyer Escort    6 000 tons     165 Crew     1632 BP      TCS 120  TH 800  EM 0
6666 km/s     Armour 6-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 35.4
Maint Life 1.37 Years     MSP 340    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 194    5YR 2914    Max Repair 540 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 9 months    Spare Berths 3   
Cryogenic Berths 400   

Boström International 400 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (2)    Power 400    Fuel Use 55.9%    Signature 400    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 13.4 billion km   (23 days at full power)

Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (4x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1
Fire Control S06 180-20000 (1)    Max Range: 360 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     97 94 92 89 86 83 81 78 75 72
Jönsson Aircraft Engine TFRT PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR3-R1 (1)     GPS 28     Range 3.9m km    MCR 427k km    Resolution 1


[Rince Wind]

One thing about Tie Fighter: Its fire control only has a speed rating about half the fighters speed, better bump it up. And, if you haven't done so, design a fighter oly fire control.


Deathstar: A ship that moves that slow will never be able to use lasers offensivly in any meaningful way. You need to be faster than your targets.

[Dorsidwarf]

Try making the death star Fire size 100 laser warhead missiles!

[Erkki]

I waited another year and renamed M84 series M85. Stats are otherwise similar, but besides higher cost their speed is now 8000 km/s(2 days less endurance but identical range) and they have more armor: destroyers 1, and the cruiser 3 more.

Seems I can use one yard to build both the DDL and the DDE without retooling!

[Insanegame27]

Try making the death star Fire size 100 laser warhead missiles!

That's a fucking wonderful idea. Doing so tomorrow.
Of couse, they would be complementary because it is possible to shoot a missile down, but not a laser.

[Rolepgeek]

I'm not hugely experienced with shields so I don't know the recharge rate, but you have quite a lot of shielding.  Should be extremely effective.

e:  Laser is considerably better in terms of range.  You still need to catch people in most fleet fights but it should work fine defensively, especially if you order it to begin pursuit as soon as the hostiles start moving.

That's actually very, very little shielding. The format IIRC is [shield strength]-[shield recharge rate]. The 42-450 means that the ship has a total of 42 points of shields--that is, the shields at full will soak 42 points of damage before they go down, which is absolute rubbish--and that the shields will recharge 450 strength every 300 seconds (or 7.5 points each 5-second tick). Basically they'll charge from naught to full in 28 seconds, but only a couple of hits will bring them down. There's no point using shields unless you use them en masse.

By way of comparison, that battleship class I was using to clear out invaders had 500-300 shields (that is to say, 500 points of shield strength) and those still got mauled pretty badly.

Admittedly it's a tad confusing because the internal format for the shields is [shieldname/strength][recharge time][fuel consumption], so for example you'll design something called a "Theta R240/240 Shield", but what that actually means is that each shield provides Theta-level protection (4 points; they scale by 0.5 per level from Alpha-Epsilon and then start increasing by 1 per level), takes 240s to recharge, and costs 240 liters of fuel each day you have it active. Then, if you add five of those to a ship, you've got a total of 20 points of protection.

I don't know. While in a full battle or for a full cruiser or what-have-you, I would agree that 42 points is a pittance, with a recharge rate like that it could last for a while against wear-down tactics.

Oh, wait that's for a Death Star.

Yeah those are utterly pointless, sorry.

Does anyone else prefer using boarding shuttles to most other means of winning?

[Dorsidwarf]

I'm bored, so if anyone feels like posting a set of ship specs (3-4 max) I'll do pixel art imagining what they look like. Submit a theme too, if you want!

[Erkki]

I'm bored, so if anyone feels like posting a set of ship specs (3-4 max) I'll do pixel art imagining what they look like. Submit a theme too, if you want!

Heres my new series of destroyers. No aliens to fight yet so the couple of squadrons of these to be built are for making the citizens feel protected.

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M90 DDL class Destroyer Leader    6 000 tons     168 Crew     2523.5 BP      TCS 120  TH 336  EM 0
8000 km/s     Armour 13-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 24.45
Maint Life 1.18 Years     MSP 526    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 385    5YR 5769    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 9 months    Spare Berths 0   

Franklin Thrust 480 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 480    Fuel Use 50.48%    Signature 168    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 14.9 billion km   (21 days at full power)

Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (1x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Single 12cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (1x1)    Range 200 000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 5    ROF 5        4 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Fuller-Briggs 31cm C5 Far Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 480 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 25-5     RM 5    ROF 25        25 20 13 10 8 6 5 5 4 4
Fire Control S08 240-20000 (1)    Max Range: 480 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     94 88 81 75 69 62 56 50 44 38
Jönsson Aircraft Engine TFRT PB-1 (1)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (1)     Total Power Output 10    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR220-R120 (1)     GPS 13440     Range 220.8m km    Resolution 120
Active Search Sensor MR5-R1 (1)     GPS 28     Range 5.0m km    MCR 549k km    Resolution 1




M90 DD class Destroyer    6 000 tons     170 Crew     2429.5 BP      TCS 120  TH 336  EM 0
8000 km/s     Armour 13-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 30.05
Maint Life 1.17 Years     MSP 506    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 380    5YR 5704    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 0   

Franklin Thrust 480 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 480    Fuel Use 50.48%    Signature 168    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 14.9 billion km   (21 days at full power)

Single 12cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (2x1)    Range 200 000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 5    ROF 5        4 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (1x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fuller-Briggs 31cm C5 Far Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 480 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 25-5     RM 5    ROF 25        25 20 13 10 8 6 5 5 4 4
Fire Control S08 240-20000 (1)    Max Range: 480 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     94 88 81 75 69 62 56 50 44 38
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (2)     Total Power Output 20    Armour 0    Exp 5%

M90 DE AMSE class Destroyer Escort    6 000 tons     151 Crew     2244.5 BP      TCS 120  TH 336  EM 0
8000 km/s     Armour 14-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 28.9
Maint Life 1.21 Years     MSP 468    AFR 144%    IFR 2%    1YR 331    5YR 4958    Max Repair 540 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 0   
Cryogenic Berths 200   

Franklin Thrust 480 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 480    Fuel Use 50.48%    Signature 168    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 14.9 billion km   (21 days at full power)

Single 12cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (2x1)    Range 200 000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 5    ROF 5        4 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S06 180-20000 (1)    Max Range: 360 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (2)     Total Power Output 20    Armour 0    Exp 5%
The designers had no idea if 12 cm lasers are better than dual 10 cm ones in anti-missile work, so they used both. They all look very armored and rather primitive, every part of them thought with functionality in mind first. Just like the way they spared some cash using old power plants together with magnetic confinement fusion new ones.

Heres their command cruiser, built with survivability in mind. I have similar but worse ships aplenty already so I will for now build just one.

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M90 ACR class Armoured Cruiser    12 000 tons     294 Crew     4385 BP      TCS 240  TH 672  EM 0
8000 km/s     Armour 21-46     Shields 0-0     Sensors 90/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 7     PPV 44.5
Maint Life 2.31 Years     MSP 1599    AFR 164%    IFR 2.3%    1YR 407    5YR 6101    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 0   

Franklin Thrust 480 EP Internal Fusion Drive (4)    Power 480    Fuel Use 50.48%    Signature 168    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 500 000 Litres    Range 14.9 billion km   (21 days at full power)

Single 12cm C4 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x1)    Range 200 000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 4-4     RM 5    ROF 5        4 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Fuller-Briggs 31cm C5 Far Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 480 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 25-5     RM 5    ROF 25        25 20 13 10 8 6 5 5 4 4
Twin 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 150 000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 5    ROF 5        3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S08 240-20000 (1)    Max Range: 480 000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     94 88 81 75 69 62 56 50 44 38
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (3)     Total Power Output 30    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR220-R120 (1)     GPS 13440     Range 220.8m km    Resolution 120
Active Search Sensor MR5-R1 (1)     GPS 28     Range 5.0m km    MCR 549k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH5-90 (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  90m km

[Dorsidwarf]

[coleslaw35]

I'm bored, so if anyone feels like posting a set of ship specs (3-4 max) I'll do pixel art imagining what they look like. Submit a theme too, if you want!

Sure, why not. Here's my new frigate. As for the theme, could you make it look sort of rugged, tough, and un-sleek? Functionality over style, even if it does make it look ugly.

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