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[QuakeIV]

Max range lasers could get a couple shots in.

e:  Actually should be three.

[Metalax]

The one benefit to using the larger fuel tanks is that they have a lower total cost for storing a given volume of fuel. This only really becomes relevant for fuel harvesting platforms or mass fuel transports though, both of which are also designs that shouldn't be getting into a position that they are getting shot at anyway.

Also to clarify, you only need to be able to hold twice the maximum repair cost in MSP if you are going to be repairing a destroyed component without returning to a yard for repairs. For preventing a maintenance failure from destroying a component you only need to be able to match the max repair cost.

90,000 km/s missiles?

Good god, no PD system you could possibly make would get more than 1 shot.

You could get 2-3 shots with laser area PD matched to a high tech level firecontrol at that speed, particularly if you were moving away from the missiles rather than towards them. You need to be getting up to around 280,000 km/s to ensure that PD only get a single chance to fire.

[coleslaw35]

How exactly does overhauling work? I know it decreases the maintenance clock, but how long does it take? How many resources does it take? The reason I ask is because I've tried overhauling some of my military vessels before, only to have them being overhauled for years and years. Eventually I just scrapped them because they were getting very outdated.

[Rince Wind]

I am not sure about the times, but it always depends on the state of the maint clock. It is slowly turned back. Still much faster than it moved forward. If your ships were overhauled for years you must have had them off planet for a lot of years.

[Dorsidwarf]

The one benefit to using the larger fuel tanks is that they have a lower total cost for storing a given volume of fuel. This only really becomes relevant for fuel harvesting platforms or mass fuel transports though, both of which are also designs that shouldn't be getting into a position that they are getting shot at anyway.

Also to clarify, you only need to be able to hold twice the maximum repair cost in MSP if you are going to be repairing a destroyed component without returning to a yard for repairs. For preventing a maintenance failure from destroying a component you only need to be able to match the max repair cost.

90,000 km/s missiles?

Good god, no PD system you could possibly make would get more than 1 shot.

You could get 2-3 shots with laser area PD matched to a high tech level firecontrol at that speed, particularly if you were moving away from the missiles rather than towards them. You need to be getting up to around 280,000 km/s to ensure that PD only get a single chance to fire.

is that even possible? That's like, 0.9 c!

[Metalax]

While a ship is in overhaul, the maintenance clock on the ship details window moves backwards at three times the rate of the time passed. So if a ship is in overhaul for a year, three years will be taken off of the maintenance clock. It is for this reason that many aim to have ships that will be operating away from maintenance bases to have a maintenance life of around three years, then bring them back to spend a year in overhaul.

In the current version, 7.1, Ships in overhaul cost around 20% of their build cost per year that they are in overhaul, as opposed to 5% while simply being maintained. In addition it costs from your wealth at the same rate.

The cost for overhauls is changing with the next version, 7.2, as all maintenance is shifting to running off of maintenance supplies rather than directly from your mineral stocks. Maintaining a ship will now cost 25% of it's total build cost in supplies, an equivalent of roughly 6.25% in minerals, while overhauling will cost 100% of the build cost in supplies, an equivalent of 25% in minerals. Wealth will no longer be used directly when maintaining/overhauling as it is instead used in the production of the supplies.

[Flying Dice]

The one benefit to using the larger fuel tanks is that they have a lower total cost for storing a given volume of fuel. This only really becomes relevant for fuel harvesting platforms or mass fuel transports though, both of which are also designs that shouldn't be getting into a position that they are getting shot at anyway.

Also to clarify, you only need to be able to hold twice the maximum repair cost in MSP if you are going to be repairing a destroyed component without returning to a yard for repairs. For preventing a maintenance failure from destroying a component you only need to be able to match the max repair cost.

90,000 km/s missiles?

Good god, no PD system you could possibly make would get more than 1 shot.

You could get 2-3 shots with laser area PD matched to a high tech level firecontrol at that speed, particularly if you were moving away from the missiles rather than towards them. You need to be getting up to around 280,000 km/s to ensure that PD only get a single chance to fire.

is that even possible? That's like, 0.9 c!

He probably meant ~280,000km range, given that that's roughly 2/3 of the distance those 90,000km/s missiles would travel in a 5-second tick.

You haven't been able to brute-force FTL since before the drive mechanics update.

[Metalax]

is that even possible? That's like, 0.9 c!

Yep, Steve had to put in a specific cap a few years ago when people realized it was completely possible to make FTL missiles and Fighters. The cap limits them to a max of 299,000 km/s.

In the current version, here is an example of an ASM hitting the cap from a high tech-level game.

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S-9 "Cracker" ASM
Missile Size: 9 MSP  (0.45 HS)     Warhead: 90    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 54
Speed: 299000 km/s    Engine Endurance: 12 minutes   Range: 210.2m km
Cost Per Missile: 64.25
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 16146%   3k km/s 5346%   5k km/s 3229.2%   10k km/s 1614.6%

He probably meant ~280,000km range, given that that's roughly 2/3 of the distance those 90,000km/s missiles would travel in a 5-second tick.

You haven't been able to brute-force FTL since before the drive mechanics update.

Nope, I meant 280,000 km/s, as I said. Max range for a fire-control is 1,400,000 km, so to cover that range in one 5 sec interval and not leave your missile open for multiple shots it needs to have a speed of 1,400,000 km / 5 s = 280,000 km per second. In practice, you'd want your missile speed to be even higher than that to cover for relative speed of the target.

edit: Ah, I get the disconnect, we are coming at it from opposite directions. You are going for what range would you need to get multiple shots on missiles travelling at 90,000km/s, whereas I am going what speed does your missile need to avoid ever allowing more than one shot.

[Flying Dice]

Ah, yeah, I see where you're coming from now.

Though that's mostly a theoretical concern, you're unlikely to ever encounter a NPR with max-range laser PD ships and if you do they're unlikely to be effective enough to require this sort of optimizing (as opposed to just chucking another ship or two worth of missiles at them in each salvo).

[coleslaw35]

I've done a few more gravitational surveys of this system and I still haven't found the hidden jump point yet! Am I doing something wrong?

[Rince Wind]

I think you have to observe someone using it. Or come in from the other side.

[coleslaw35]

Alright, finally got my tech updated, so I'm redesigning my military. Here's my missile cruiser so far. Can I get some honest opinions?

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[AlStar]

Looks solid to me - I was going to mention that usually you'd want to use normal launchers for the size 1s, but I see that your tech allows even the 75% reduction launchers to fire every 15 seconds, which should be plenty.

[Rince Wind]

Maybe a 2nd AMM fire control.

[Flying Dice]

You're probably going to want to rotate AMM coverage between ships, since you won't get many counter-salvos out of any one.