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[Tarran]

with 6.4 around the corner ive stopped playing now for starbound until steve pulls his finger out 

I know. I've been waiting for months for 6.4 so I can start a new game, it's kinda annoying to not get even a vague estimation date.

The wiki is full of shit.

An honest suggestion: If you think the wiki is full of crap and you can do better, perhaps you should improve it so it is not full of crap and it is better.

Maybe that's actually working as intended because protostar?

I think I've seen on the forums non-protostars having planets go through them.

Even if it was working as intended, even with my limited knowledge of stars I don't believe even protostars should behave like that.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I'm more impressed by that planet's epic moon system, some of which actually orbit around the sun.

[Flying Dice]

The wiki is full of shit.

An honest suggestion: If you think the wiki is full of crap and you can do better, perhaps you should improve it so it is not full of crap and it is better.

For clarification: That was intended as a response to that specific instance, in the same sense that one would say, "So-n-so said that the Sun orbits the Earth? They're full of shit!"

That aside, I don't have the patience to sit down and write more than a few thousand words of enjoyable prose in a day, which is a pebble beside the Sisyphean task of accurately and comprehensively codifying everything you need to know about Aurora. I enjoy playing the game and I'm happy to help out people here, but I don't want an unpaid research + data entry job. :|

[miauw62]

I'm desperately trying to fire missiles while flying away from a stack of star-swarm fighters while the only rockets that are actually firing are my size 1 AMM missiles that are targetting a swarm ship at the other end of the system and my non-misssile weapon systems don't work either. All the missile launchers say they're ready to fire, I assign them to fire control in the battle menu and after I do a time increment everything reverts.

[Sheb]

Are those ships in range of your FCs? Swarm fighters are kinda small so that could be the issue.

[Flying Dice]

Are those ships in range of your FCs? Swarm fighters are kinda small so that could be the issue.

This. If your sensors/fire controls aren't R16 or better (read: lower), their listed maximum detection/target acquisition range is going to be listed higher than the effective range vs. Swarm soldiers; if it's R50 or something then your real detection range against 800t targets is probably going to be closer to the range at which you start picking up missiles than the maximum.

Incidentally, this is why my active sensors are always R16. :x

[Sheb]

By the way, the formula for effective range is Range*(TargetSize/SensorRes)². So if your FCs are R48, you'll be able to target size 16 ships at (16/48)² = 1/9 of the stated range.

[firsal]

-gets curbstomped by uberships in Alpha Centauri (probably precursors, given the tech level)
-explores other 2 systems bordering Sol
-both have only one jump point, which leads back to Sol

Damn it.

[Sheb]

Try to ambush them? Design a ship with no weapons, but lots of engine, armor and one sensor and try to get them to jump into Sol, where you fleet will be waiting at the jump point and crush them while their sensors are down.

[miauw62]

The fighters are literally at 60k km, and my sensors can pick them up. It's just that whenever I let 5 seconds pass, suddenly all of my FCs don't have any launchers assigned to them anymore.

Not even my beam weapons are firing.

[Sheb]

Have you tried the auto-fire?

[Culise]

Try to ambush them? Design a ship with no weapons, but lots of engine, armor and one sensor and try to get them to jump into Sol, where you fleet will be waiting at the jump point and crush them while their sensors are down.

Could be a little risky; if you fail to stop them, you now have a lot of Precursors sitting in Sol.  If you don't mind some game-breaking for the purpose of getting your game started, you could try some Rocks: huge commercial engines that light up the night, massive amounts of armor, and whatever CIWS you can pack on.  Designed as civilian ships so they don't require maintenance, their sole purpose is to tank hits while your lighter ships go in and actually deliver the death-blow.  The original design from blue emu's Ad Astra campaign:

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Rock class Support Vessel 33,750 tons 556 Crew 1891 BP TCS 675 TH 2700 EM 0
4000 km/s Armour 10-93 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 1 PPV 0
Maint Capacity 35 MSP Max Repair 38 MSP

Ion Engine E0.8 (18) Power 150 Fuel Use 8% Signature 150 Armour 0 Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 133.3 billion km (385 days at full power)

CIWS-120 (8x2) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
The only catch is that it was created back before shock damage feature or the engine code redesign (in v5.42, to be precise); hard enough hits will hurt it even if they don't actually penetrate the armor.  Due to their ridiculous effectiveness in that version against the AI, which isn't smart enough to identify it as not a threat and switch targets, I never used them myself, so I don't know how effective they'll be in new versions. 

[EuchreJack]

Try to ambush them? Design a ship with no weapons, but lots of engine, armor and one sensor and try to get them to jump into Sol, where you fleet will be waiting at the jump point and crush them while their sensors are down.

Could be a little risky; if you fail to stop them, you now have a lot of Precursors sitting in Sol.  If you don't mind some game-breaking for the purpose of getting your game started, you could try some Rocks: huge commercial engines that light up the night, massive amounts of armor, and whatever CIWS you can pack on.  Designed as civilian ships so they don't require maintenance, their sole purpose is to tank hits while your lighter ships go in and actually deliver the death-blow.  The original design from blue emu's Ad Astra campaign:

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Rock class Support Vessel 33,750 tons 556 Crew 1891 BP TCS 675 TH 2700 EM 0
4000 km/s Armour 10-93 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 1 PPV 0
Maint Capacity 35 MSP Max Repair 38 MSP

Ion Engine E0.8 (18) Power 150 Fuel Use 8% Signature 150 Armour 0 Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 133.3 billion km (385 days at full power)

CIWS-120 (8x2) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
The only catch is that it was created back before shock damage feature or the engine code redesign (in v5.42, to be precise); hard enough hits will hurt it even if they don't actually penetrate the armor.  Due to their ridiculous effectiveness in that version against the AI, which isn't smart enough to identify it as not a threat and switch targets, I never used them myself, so I don't know how effective they'll be in new versions.

From what I've read, the AI seems to target active sensors first, so you might need (size 1 or less) active sensors to get it to work.

Also, most precursors tend to favor missiles, so you might just be able to drain their missile batteries.  Fleet 1: All my ships that have outdated engines.  Fleet 2: Actual navy.  Jump in fleet one, then after most of the ships perish, jump in fleet two (enough of fleet one should be alive to take hits while fleet two recovers from the jump).

[Flying Dice]

The main problem when dealing with missile-using Precursors in their "home" systems is that they'll be faster than what you'll have and can thus run away and rearm over and over. One of the tactics I developed to deal with this sort of thing is to use cloaked ships with massive passive sensors and reduced-signature drives to sneak in and spot them, then launch strikes from carrier groups at my entry JP. You don't even need offensive vessels; just put a big honkin' AS platform with the carriers and they can jump out of danger, while your fighters are fast enough and small enough to get the job done without casualties, and if you have to jump your carriers out, fighters are cheap even if they're destroyed. That way the Precursors never have a chance to shoot your important ships, and they're wrecked before they can start draining their missile stores.

[firsal]

Try to ambush them? Design a ship with no weapons, but lots of engine, armor and one sensor and try to get them to jump into Sol, where you fleet will be waiting at the jump point and crush them while their sensors are down.

Could be a little risky; if you fail to stop them, you now have a lot of Precursors sitting in Sol.  If you don't mind some game-breaking for the purpose of getting your game started, you could try some Rocks: huge commercial engines that light up the night, massive amounts of armor, and whatever CIWS you can pack on.  Designed as civilian ships so they don't require maintenance, their sole purpose is to tank hits while your lighter ships go in and actually deliver the death-blow.  The original design from blue emu's Ad Astra campaign:

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Rock class Support Vessel 33,750 tons 556 Crew 1891 BP TCS 675 TH 2700 EM 0
4000 km/s Armour 10-93 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 1 PPV 0
Maint Capacity 35 MSP Max Repair 38 MSP

Ion Engine E0.8 (18) Power 150 Fuel Use 8% Signature 150 Armour 0 Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 133.3 billion km (385 days at full power)

CIWS-120 (8x2) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
The only catch is that it was created back before shock damage feature or the engine code redesign (in v5.42, to be precise); hard enough hits will hurt it even if they don't actually penetrate the armor.  Due to their ridiculous effectiveness in that version against the AI, which isn't smart enough to identify it as not a threat and switch targets, I never used them myself, so I don't know how effective they'll be in new versions.

I've read the Ad Astra AAR, a damn good one I may add, and I'm considering using a version if this type of ship. But, that would take away space from my commercial shipyards that need to pump out freighters and asteroid miners, which I desperately need to avert a mineral crunch.

I'm thinking a large, conventional fleet, maybe 4 squadrons, which are 5 ships each. Grand parade around Earth and the Luna colony before they do battle, for "propaganda" and "restoring faith in the government" after the disaster at Alpha Centauri and the economic crisis. Because, I like adding some rp into my games. Makes it more exciting for me play.

Also, do asteroid miners store their own mined qminerals if they have their own cargo hold?