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[Lightningfalcon]

Ok, now what is it that I probally did wrong with this design-

Daring class Missile Cruiser    8,400 tons     866 Crew     1355.08 BP      TCS 168  TH 168  EM 60
2857 km/s     Armour 2-36     Shields 2-375     Sensors 10/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 54
Maint Life 3.09 Years     MSP 1252    AFR 225%    IFR 3.1%    1YR 197    5YR 2950    Max Repair 108 MSP
Magazine 868   

Magneto-plasma Drive M MK I (6)    Power 80    Fuel Use 70%    Signature 28    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 76.5 billion km   (310 days at full power)
Delta R375/17.5 Shields (1)   Total Fuel Cost  18 Litres per day

Size 18 Missile Launcher (3)    Missile Size 18    Rate of Fire 180
Missile Fire Control FC22-R20 (70%) (1)     Range 22.5m km    Resolution 20

Active Search Sensor MR18-R20 (70%) (1)     GPS 1050     Range 18.8m km    Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor TH2-10 (1)     Sensitivity 10     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  10m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes



Missile Size: 18 MSP  (0.9 HS)     Warhead: 72    Armour: 2     Manoeuvre Rating: 17
Speed: 17800 km/s    Endurance: 13 minutes   Range: 14.3m km
Cost Per Missile: 24.0083
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 302.6%   3k km/s 85%   5k km/s 60.5%   10k km/s 30.3%
Materials Required:    18.5x Tritanium   8.2833x Gallicite   Fuel x2500


For right now, this will be my only military vessel, so I won't have a separate ship for point defense or fire control.   

[JacenHanLovesLegos]

That 72 warhead size is a bit overkill. Not to mention three of those flying an enemy ship with any kind of decent point defense will do no good. A size six missile would be much better, tripling the amount of missiles in the air (or vaccum) and reducing the effectiveness of any CIWS or AMMs. A bigger sensor might be good, but it's not as big a deal. If you want something to compare off of this my own destroyer and it's supporting ships in my current game, which is about 2 1/2 years in.

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M - DD Defiant class Destroyer    4,800 tons     125 Crew     954.2 BP      TCS 96  TH 240  EM 0
2500 km/s     Armour 4-25     Shields 0-0     Sensors 40/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 16
Maint Life 8.89 Years     MSP 1373    AFR 61%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 31    5YR 468    Max Repair 196 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 188   

M80 MP Drive (3)    Power 80    Fuel Use 57%    Signature 80    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres    Range 29.6 billion km   (137 days at full power)

S8 Missile Launcher (2)    Missile Size 8    Rate of Fire 80
Missile Fire Control V2 (1)     Range 470.4m km    Resolution 100
Size 8 Anti-ship Missile (24)  Speed: 8,000 km/s   End: 920.1m    Range: 441.7m km   WH: 15    Size: 8    TH: 58 / 35 / 17

Medium Active Sensor (1)     GPS 14000     Range 112.0m km    Resolution 100
Medium Thermal Sensor (1)     Sensitivity 40     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  40m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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M - DDE Umbrella class Destroyer Escort    4,800 tons     136 Crew     864.2 BP      TCS 96  TH 240  EM 0
2500 km/s     Armour 4-25     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 24
Maint Life 12.04 Years     MSP 1450    AFR 46%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 18    5YR 277    Max Repair 112 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 196   

M80 MP Drive (3)    Power 80    Fuel Use 57%    Signature 80    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres    Range 29.6 billion km   (137 days at full power)

S8 Missile Launcher (3)    Missile Size 8    Rate of Fire 80
AMM Missile Fire Control (2)     Range 38.0m km    Resolution 2
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (196)  Speed: 32,000 km/s   End: 20.3m    Range: 38.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 213 / 128 / 64

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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M - FSV Valiant class Fleet Support Vessel    13,150 tons     273 Crew     1638.8 BP      TCS 263  TH 680  EM 0
2585 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 5-49     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 14     PPV 8
Maint Life 10.62 Years     MSP 4090    AFR 98%    IFR 1.4%    1YR 66    5YR 992    Max Repair 227 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 2   
Magazine 524   

Valiant Class Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 13200 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
M40 Low-Power MP Drive (17)    Power 40    Fuel Use 10.08%    Signature 40    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 33.9 billion km   (151 days at full power)

S8 Missile Launcher (1)    Missile Size 8    Rate of Fire 80
AMM Missile Fire Control (1)     Range 38.0m km    Resolution 2
Size 8 Anti-ship Missile (32)  Speed: 8,000 km/s   End: 920.1m    Range: 441.7m km   WH: 15    Size: 8    TH: 58 / 35 / 17
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (268)  Speed: 32,000 km/s   End: 20.3m    Range: 38.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 213 / 128 / 64

Medium AMM Active Sensor (1)     GPS 280     Range 15.8m km    Resolution 2
Medium Active Sensor (1)     GPS 14000     Range 112.0m km    Resolution 100

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


[USEC_OFFICER]

I'd probably increase the maintenance life, slap on some better sensors and some more missile launchers, but that's just me. I've probably created worse sins against nature, and you really just need it to last long enough in a war for your next generation of cruisers.

Oh, and remember to do task force training for your Task Groups once they've got their Darings. The less the training percentage is (or whatever it's called) the longer it takes for your group to respond to orders. Admittedly it's something in the range of seconds/minutes, but that can be deadly in a firefight. But I guess with missile ships it's not exactly important.

Oh! One more thing: Anti-missile defences. You'll need them at some point given your mere 2 layers of armour, so start preparing now. All you need is a pokey little 1 size warhead with terrible range but great speed and maneuverability, along with sensors specifically designed to track missiles, and an appropriate fire control.

[Flying Dice]

For your apparent tech level:

-Your missiles... what the FUCK!? Even a STR-16 warhead would be overkill at your level of advancement. And you pay for the oversized WH with terrible range, terrible speed, and terrible accuracy.
-FC and AS are painfully short-ranged, even for such a short range missile.
-Thermal sensor is too small to be very useful.
-2 armor layers is nothing at all compared to every single weapon you'll encounter.
-A single Delta shield is meaningless; 2 points of shield will drop after a single hit from just about anything but a TL1-2 laser or a single AMM.
-Another part of the price of having ASMs that are TOO FUCKING BIG is that you can't manage anything approaching a useful salvo (I typically have at least four times that many launchers on a ship half the tonnage, at a comparable level of tech), and that you can hardly carry any reloads even with far too much of your ship composed of magazine space.
-You're evidently playing on pre-6.x. 76b km is fairly short ranged, even for a ship that small.
-You've also got poor speed for your drive tech. I'd be inclined to blame the massive fucking magazine. Seriously, I've had 30k ton heavy cruisers with the same sort of magazine space. The main difference being that the same amount of magazine space would carry a bit over 200 ASMs if they're a reasonable size.
-You have no PD. With 2 armor and 2 points of shield, the first thing that hits one of those is going to wreck it.

But yeah. Most of the issues stem from the massively oversized missiles. It'd be one thing if that was supposed to be a planetary bombardment ship, but...

[JimiD]

The general advice seems to be to start with missiles, but there are so many variables in missile ship and missile design it can be quite difficult to grasp and balance.  Beam ships are easier to grasp, when trying to understand the key elements of ship design.  Of course this won't necessarily win all battles, but once you understand ship design, missiles and their variables can come later.

But you can have a perfectly good game just exploring and establishing a multi stellar civ. Conflict comes a lot later, and to a certain extent you can chose to get involved or not.   I've abandoned many games before conflict was started, and others when my first fleet was wiped out due to poor design.  The next game was better informed though.

[Hanzoku]

The reason that missiles are advised is that while they're more complex, they're also far more likely to win early engagements then beam ships.

Beam ships require you to have a large tech advantage over your opponent so you can actually catch their ship, and generally more experience with the combat system so you can design defenses for your ships as they'll be taking one hell of a pounding trying to close to combat range.

[Talfryn]

I desperately want to like this game, but I have the opposite problem I do with DF. DF makes me feel rushed, as soon as I unpaused everything whirls by. In Aurora, it feels like I wind up hitting the 30 day increment button over and over again hoping that I've run into something interesting. I don't... :\

[USEC_OFFICER]

I desperately want to like this game, but I have the opposite problem I do with DF. DF makes me feel rushed, as soon as I unpaused everything whirls by. In Aurora, it feels like I wind up hitting the 30 day increment button over and over again hoping that I've run into something interesting. I don't... :\

That's... pretty much Aurora in a nutshell. Or at least how my games usually go. I might try setting the NPR chance up to 100% and increase the number of habitable worlds for my next game, for maximum fun. At the very least I won't have to wait for a generation before meeting some aliens.

And then Matryoshka to the face/face analogue.

[MarcAFK]

Are non sol starts bugged in 6.0? I'm getting errors when attempting to select default race.

[Talfryn]

That's... pretty much Aurora in a nutshell.

Yeah, my favorite parts are military and design, which is such a small portion of the game.

[Lightningfalcon]

When I get bored I just put the autoturns on 12 and hit 30 days. 

[Metalax]

Are non sol starts bugged in 6.0? I'm getting errors when attempting to select default race.

Yes, make sure you are running 6.1 as most of those bugs were fixed in it, the rest are fixed in 6.2 that should hopefully be released soon.

[MarcAFK]

I'm in 6.1 and thers a bug, i think i might be able to do a sol start, and Migrate somewhere else, dump a new colony elsewhere and delete the colony in earth, it might be a workaround.

[Flying Dice]

See, the endless 30-day turns are amazing if you're the sort of person that reacts to research completing like others react to cocaine.

That aside, go for 2-3 starting NPRs, 1000% difficulty, SS on by default, and 100% NPR spawn rate. You'll get your excitement real quick.

[MarcAFK]

See, the endless 30-day turns are amazing if you're the sort of person that reacts to research completing like others react to cocaine.

That aside, go for 2-3 starting NPRs, 1000% difficulty, SS on by default, and 100% NPR spawn rate. You'll get your excitement real quick.

2-3 starting nprs? You'll get all the excitement of endless 5 second turns.