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Korbac

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Values & Ideals
« on: January 07, 2010, 01:10:40 pm »

Just wondering, what societal and personal 'values' do you guys uphold/embody, and which is closest to you? I'm a philosophy student, amongst other things, and would be very interested to hear from what people's overarching guidelines/objectives are.

For me, it's my friends. I have a few very close ones and a couple who aren't so close, but they matter very much to me. I actually got my friends Christmas presents this year (knowing that I wouldn't get anything back) and I must say it was a delightful feeling. I very much want to be a pharmacist when I'm older and get tremendous job satisfaction from the voluntary work exp. I'm doing at the moment, but I'd much rather put my friends as my prioritiess, because I believe that is the ultimate moral good.

(Feel free to tell me everything I do is wrong. I can cope, even if you can convince me!)
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 01:29:54 pm »

I'm the poster child for the recent outbreak of nihilists, preocupied mostly with headonistic activities, which usually involve assuming the lowest possible energy state. I dream of moving on towards existentialism one day, if I could only find a reason to do it ...
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 04:43:43 pm »

I'm the poster child for the recent outbreak of nihilists, preocupied mostly with headonistic activities, which usually involve assuming the lowest possible energy state. I dream of moving on towards existentialism one day, if I could only find a reason to do it ...

This.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 05:25:23 pm »

Personally, I think nihilism is nothing more than a stepping stone to more important philosophical realizations - a sort of 'intermediate state', if you will. I say this because Nietzsche essentially taught us that our old values are/were dead (or dying, anyhow), and that the important thing was to create new ones. Unfortunately most people who label themselves 'nihilists' tend to interpret this as meaning 'believe nothing in the world means anything'.

My own thoughts about what is important? Well, to really explain that would take a lot of rambling, so I'll slap it in a TL;DR tag:

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In summary, I value creativity over everything else.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 05:45:19 pm »

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'believe nothing in the world means anything'.

That is actually the definition of nihilism.

Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist. Nietzsche deplored nihilism
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 05:50:39 pm »

 Love everybody like family, especially your greatest enemies. Especially those who wish you the greatest harm. Living for the sake of others. Everything else just boils down to this eventually.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 05:55:56 pm »

That is actually the definition of nihilism.

I think you're agreeing with me and you just haven't realized it.

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Personally, I think nihilism is nothing more than a stepping stone to more important philosophical realizations - a sort of 'intermediate state', if you will. I say this because Nietzsche essentially taught us that our old values are/were dead (or dying, anyhow), and that the important thing was to create new ones.

I never said nihilism didn't mean 'a belief in nothing' - I was inferring that people who call themselves nihilists have (rather foolishly) stopped short of creating new values for themselves. Furthermore, a lot of people have the (incorrect) belief that Nietzsche wanted the world to believe in nothing.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 06:20:29 pm by Lord Dullard »
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 07:45:06 pm »

I believe in doing what good I can with what resources I have. And much like Duke, loving humanity as best I can, despite how hard it gets sometimes.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 07:58:17 pm »

Yeah, I had misunderstood. I stand corrected.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 11:07:56 pm »

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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 11:12:11 pm »

Humanist (hippie love)
Atheist Theravadan Buddhist (Life is suffering, suffering is a result of our desires, there's a path to be rid of desire and suffering)
Social Constructivist epistemologically (translation: science of how do you know what you know) and ontologically (the nature of reality).

Constructivism is an intermediate vs. objectivism "everything is regardless of the mind: black&white, true or false, right or wrong" and subjectivism "nothing can be known for certain/everything is based on perception".

I believe that we, as groups of conscious human beings, have shared experiences in which we can create our own reality within certain laws, this doesn't mean anything we can think though.

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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 01:01:29 am »

Having thrown out pretty much all of my southern baptist raising, I have really just listened to my instincts. I suppose my 'morals' are to do what you want as long as you don't consciously hurt anyone else doing it. I naturally want to help people, so I do that.

I think everyone should find their own purpose in life. I don't know what yours is, but mine is to learn as much as I can, and help others learn as much as they can. Bonus points for helping them find their purpose in life.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 01:06:40 am »

I believe that we, as groups of conscious human beings, have shared experiences in which we can create our own reality within certain laws, this doesn't mean anything we can think though.

I definitely agree there are limitations to what human consciousness can accomplish or experience. But I have hopes that human consciousness isn't the only state of 'being' in the universe, too - or at least that there are things yet to come that will be more than/above human comprehension.
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Re: Values & Ideals
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 02:40:56 am »

I never said nihilism didn't mean 'a belief in nothing' - I was inferring that people who call themselves nihilists have (rather foolishly) stopped short of creating new values for themselves. Furthermore, a lot of people have the (incorrect) belief that Nietzsche wanted the world to believe in nothing.
Nietzsche was an existentialist, so by the definition, he wanted people to create their own values and reasons for existence. Nihilists by definition don't do that. As soon as you create a reason for your life, the universe and/or everything, you stop being nihilist.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 03:05:38 am »

Yes, you're correct. It's my personal view (and only my personal view, of course) that existentialism by itself isn't enough either, though; existentialism essentially says 'the most important thing is to live your life according to your own values and to put your own emotions, thoughts, actions, etc. above all'. My problem with existentialism is that it (by its own nature) condones not only good types of existentialists, but bad types. I view existentialism as a sort of ultra-hedonism because it condones everything as long as it's okay with the individual and they think they're following their own beliefs correctly (no matter how much those beliefs affect others or in what ways).
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