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Sean Mirrsen

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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #255 on: January 15, 2010, 06:08:15 pm »

You couldn't possibly tell, but I'm a proponent of experimental evidence, providing the experiments make sense in at least some way. What were the combined experiments that so firmly and unquestionably set the universe's attachment to the spacetime continuum?

Wikipedia links, or any other online material will suffice.
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #256 on: January 15, 2010, 06:24:29 pm »

Aagh, this is a monsterous post. I can't write this and DM the DnD game at the same time.

I'll write the post after i finis hthis game.

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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #257 on: January 15, 2010, 06:27:35 pm »

All I can remember about string theory is that I don't believe it.
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #258 on: January 15, 2010, 06:28:47 pm »

Read this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9BCDM

Then come back with any questions about the things on that page. We'll start from there, since unless you feel like spending a few years at University learning physics and mathematics, that's where we'll have to start.

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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #259 on: January 15, 2010, 06:45:07 pm »

Oh, and since i know you're going to winge at me about the expansion of space again, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space#Observational_evidence

It lists the reasons why we think space is expanding, but because it's Wiki it does so in a people friendly way. Don't take Wiki's word for it though; follow notes 11 and 12 and read those links too.


This is the important link, as this was the discovery in 2000 that confirmed the red shifting as being spatial expansion.
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« Reply #260 on: January 16, 2010, 04:36:21 pm »

So space is the place between the "Stuff" in the Universe?

The speed of light is always C. Or rather, light always travels exactly C distance per time. Around a black hole, this distance is curved.

light's velocity does not change, not even for a black hole.
light's direction does change for a black hole. it is displaced.

What happens to light traveling straight into a black hole?


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« Reply #261 on: January 16, 2010, 07:23:21 pm »

the universe's attachment to the spacetime continuum?

I feel again like you're talking about stuff that's way over your head here. You're a half-step away from using pure science-fiction jargon, seriously. Don't be so quick to try to dispute scientific consensus in an extremely complicated field that you don't have any real understanding of (I don't have much either, for the record).
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #262 on: January 16, 2010, 08:12:06 pm »

Sean Mirrsen.  You arouse empathetic feelings in me (over the internet!), you are making such a fool of yourself.
EDIT x2 COMBO: If I didn't know any better, I would think you were a troll.

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What happens to light traveling straight into a black hole?
It goes sploosh
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #263 on: January 16, 2010, 08:14:08 pm »

It's hard not to when you blatantly disregard established scientific theories.

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« Reply #264 on: January 17, 2010, 02:04:30 am »

It's hard not to when you blatantly disregard established scientific theories.
So am I wrong or right on what I said the parts of what I just said.
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #265 on: January 17, 2010, 02:05:49 am »

What happens to light traveling straight into a black hole?
It goes sploosh
I agree?
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #266 on: January 17, 2010, 02:11:28 am »

What happens to light traveling straight into a black hole?
It goes sploosh
I agree?
Hard not to. Although let us not make any further quote pyramids.

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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #267 on: January 17, 2010, 02:14:11 am »

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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #268 on: January 18, 2010, 07:04:29 am »

At first I thought that the expansion might be an illusion caused by space-time curvature.  Then I discovered they are the same thing.  :D

A study of the distribution of the irregularities in the cosmic background radiation is affirmed the idea that space is finite, looping and expanding.

"Space expanding" = "ALL distances increasing more or decreasing less than they would otherwise"

Curvature caused by gravity is in the opposite direction from the curvature which causes the expansion, which is why it is sometimes called anti-gravity.  Anti-gravity gets stronger as the distance increases while gravity gets weaker, so the areas where the mass-density is lower than 0.3 H-atoms per something (can't remember) will expand at an accelerating rate, while higher density areas will eventually collapse into black holes. (Like the super-massive black holes we have detected at the centers of many galaxies.)

Since a photon cannot keep itself together by gravity, it stretches as the space it occupies stretches.  This has been found to be the cause of the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

Two very well-synchronized clocks were taken, one put into a high-flying aeroplane and the other was kept on the surface.  When the aeroplane returned, the clocks were out of synchronization by a much larger amount than they would normally be, and the difference matched very closely the difference expected from time dilation caused by decreased space-time curvature at high altitudes.

Like all the important experiments, I am certain that it has been done in many parts of the world, by various different groups, before it was accepted as scientific fact.  Physics tends to be studied rigorously like this, due to it following the same physical laws everywhere and sometimes yielding unexpected results.  So everybody can test it and find it to be accurate.  Otherwise it would not be a "hard" science.

Any theory which makes measurable predictions which can reliably be tested by anyone is an acceptable theory.

This is why I prefer modern physics over your ideas, Sean.  My ire is neither dogmatic nor personal.
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Re: Physics and mathematics discussion
« Reply #269 on: January 18, 2010, 11:33:54 am »

Well, I'm happy to keep providing an alternative viewpoint if you ever get tired (or upset) with your current one. It's not like I'm pressing my beliefs onto someone. :)

And to the rest of the people accusing me of dropping to sci-fi jargon - pardon me, you're accusing me of not believing in stuff I don't yet know to be true. I've currently abandoned this thread to gather some more information on those intersting experiments, and will be back once I have something to say on the matter.
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