Oh no, i'm fine with arguing with him, i'm just not going to let it escalate out of control like i did with forsaken in P12. Escalating arguments are a terrible thing, as it makes all the other players tired of it, so they start ignoring both parties, which is exactly what the scum want.
"Let me try to back away from my claim since I KNOW it was too weak to stand. Oh, and also let me avoid making a scumtell so I can try to look pro-town doing it."
Are you advocating that, instead of going after people we believe are scum, we should wish wash around just to avoid causing a scene?
Btw, the other person you, as scum, argued with was Forsaken. Forsaken ended up not only being town but being the ONLY person who, if the town followed him, would've just about tore us apart since you were the one person we did NOT want to have killed.
But no, town shouldn't be trying to scumhunt. Forsaken should've ignored you like everyone else and go lynch Org out of policy instead.
At the moment, my votes are for Dak and Zai scum, Dak for the reasons i've already mentioned, and Zai for apparantly using the reason "I don't believe you were being silly" as a reason. Now, if that is true, Zai has either never interacted with me before, or he's an idiot. I know the first to be false, and i'm fairly sure that Zai is not an idiot, ergo the logical conclusion is that his 'reason' is false, which means he has an unspoken ulterior motive, which usually means scum.
So everyone that votes on you is an idiot or scum? That's interesting.
Btw, if you're not willing to actually TRY to scumhunt or pressure me then what's your point to voting for me, or do you not care to actually try to find proof whether I'm scum or not?
I feel it's also impotant to point out that Zai has not actually contributed anything to this discussion, dakarian has at least tried, Zai's total contribution has been two posts which, when distilled, amount to "Neruz is scum gies."
Says the man who placed a 5th (had to check back and see it was 5th, not 4th) vote as a 'joking random vote' with a dash of active lurking to boot. Doesn't help when the first REAL attack you've done was on me, which you've already said you want to back out of.
Finally, dakarian, i do not believe you are a perfect player who never makes mistakes. In fact i happen to know that you have scumslipped badly several times in the past. I do, however, know that you are usually a very analytical player and you usually back up your votes with solid analysis and reasoning.
Is ALL you have on me meta? If so, mind actually making it ACCURATE meta? You fuss that I didn't have solid analysis and reasoning on my opening vote on you.. even though this is Day 1 when the goal is to create the data used to analyze and reason. You push people, prod them, pressure them until they crack. Then, ONLY THEN, do you have real data to use. Until then, you are literally throwing BS at them. That's the basis behind the RVS and the town's true aim for Day 1.
So enough with this "OMG, it's 12 hours and Dakarian doesn't have a rock-solid case" since this isn't Court..not yet. I'm not a lawyer and you aren't on trial.
No, I'm the investigator and you're sitting in a chair with a spotlight under you. I don't KNOW you are the murderer but I'm going to find out. Personally, I believe I have enough to really take you to trial.
At the moment, your analysis and reasoning seems to amount to "I don't believe you. You cannot have made a random vote because I say so, and the last time someone tried the 'dakarian is a good player' argument, that person turned out to be scum. Therefore you are scum as well!"
Close.
My argument is thus:
You weren't exactly sure who you wanted to vote for: You made a RV on Webadict but you can't just leave it at that. So you see Solifuge with 4 votes on her already and she's not exactly doing well to defend herself. As such, you join in to plop your vote down. When you got called out on it, you used the jokes already thrown about to try to dispel it and, failing that, decided to deem THAT your RV and 'part of the joke'.
The problems:
- you already did a starting random vote
- you had enough time to read through everyone else and see that they had REASONS to vote for Solifuge
- It's rather hard to claim you were just messing around when it's the 5th vote.
- When JaaSwb pointed it out to you, you tell him that he should consider dropping his vote, even though it's JaaSwb is currently pressuring Solifuge while you were 'random voting'.
The last is additionally ugly when linked to the belief you had that we were running under Hammers. You suggested that JaaSwb should pull his vote if he feels that the bandwagon wasn't justified. However, that suggests that you, who keep your vote on her, DO feel it justified for her to have 5 votes on her. You make the claim that 'there's not enough scum to complete the bandwagon'. That, though, doesn't take to account that a good batch of the town is aiming at her for the lynch AND it shows that you are greatly considering that Solifuge isn't scum (thus the risk of being quickhammered by scum).
So to distill that more, you 'randomvote' on someone who already has a large bandwagon on them AFTER you've already made an initial randomvote and show heavy signs that you don't deeply feel that they are scum. You do this under the belief that she could've been hammered and seem content with leaving her in that state without caring to find out if she is scum or, if she's town, if it's a town misread or a scum-based bandwagon.
Sidenote: Bandwagon = joining others in voting for the same person without having a strong reason for doing so.
Like..say.. being the 5th person to vote because of a 'joking randomvote'.
In short you've:
Bandwagoned
Backpeddled
Showed lack of care on the alignment of a potential lynch
Displayed a lack of willingness to scumhunt
And (now demonstrated in our fight) a desire to avoid 'scumtells' rather than focus on what you need to do.
If you can't see the logical holes in your argument dakarian, then there is no hope for your scum game.
Mind pointing out the logical holes now that I DO have something proper to analyze? Also, mind displaying how a LACK of analysis is actually a scumtell for me, considering you WERE there during Paranormal 12?