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[Nirur Torir]

20 scientists will try to re-create a computer, with a fairly easy to use OS.

So... you want to make a computer... out of scrap metal... without any silicon at all, nor vacuum tubes, nor semiconductors, as well as an OS? I admit, this game has been unbalanced, but seriously dude, that sounds fucking impossible with the resources we have right now. I admit, some things that have happened have been a bit... unbelievable (Making another coil rifle out of scrap, Designing and building a trike with photovoltaic cells, etc.) but that can be fixed. We need a new rule.

For every complex piece of machinery/weaponry/building that isn't studied beforehand and is used/built, there should be a severe penalty to die-roll and severe consequences no matter what. Any new designs will need a blueprint, refined materials, and whatever else they would need.

Example: I have my crafters build a helicopter with a dual-rotor design.

Now not only should this fail pretty much automatically due to my crafters lack of knowledge about making a dual-rotor Helicopter, the fact is that it couldn't be made just out of scrap. I would have to design a motor that is light enough or powerful enough, use lightweight composite materials instead of scrap, and if I even built the thing, it would be crashed almost immediately due to my lack of electronics software or having a pilot.

I won't mind getting nerfed if it means that we can't build futuristic machines out of nothing. I was planning on building a Mechanical exoskeleton, but I would need access to a computer, a computer programmer, the ability to build hydraulics, use plastics and aluminum, and have a test pilot crazy enough to get into the death tra- invention.

This is just my idea. But I would prefer it we can't build lasers and atomic bombs out of old siding and pipes.

Hmm. You're right, I guess. I hadn't really put much thought into it, but I assumed that we had the general idea of computers and some parts for them in a martian bunker. Like calculators, which are presumably more advanced then a graphic calculator. I'll change it though.


Also, I propose a technology-sharing treaty.

[x2yzh9]

I would accept this treaty.

[inteuniso]

I will accept too. I can give the Kitchen, Laboratory, and Coil Rifle blueprints away. I'm pretty sure you can get the Plastics Fabricator too.

[EagleV]

There will be no update today or tomorrow. Too much to do, and too little time. Next update will be this sunday.

Also, I'll try to use the blueprint-or-penalty and other complex-machine-inhibitor ideas, but I fear they might make the game too complex. If they work well, I'll keep using them. And thanks for the help

[Nirur Torir]

How about adding a new, advanced type of scrap? Have it be rare, and un-craftable without advanced machines. It would be used for stuff like computers, auto-aim devices on turrets, aircraft/spacecraft, etc.

We appreciate your frequent update schedule, but don't feel too bad about not having updates for two days.

[EagleV]

Nirur, Sounds good, thanks for the idea. And thanks for the (whatever you call the second line).

I'll start writing the turn now, though it'll still take some hours. In the meantime, I've got this proposal for crafting:

1. Normal stuff, easy to build with scrappy scrap. Ex. Pipelines, walls, frames. Probably most static stuff, medieval weapons, etc.
2. Hard stuff, has a penalty to craft with scrappy scrap. Ex. Basic engines, mechanical devices, electric wiring, firearms (powder, compressed air). Has no penalty if you use some nice scrap, too.
3. Special stuff, can only be crafted with nice scrap. Ex. Electric devices, engines, calculators, modern weaponry (coil).
4. Sweet stuff, can only be crafted with nice scrap, with a penalty. Ex. Remote control, programmable calculators, comm systems, modern heavy weapons.
5. Epic stuff, cannot be crafted unless you find some Überscrap. What Nirur said, computers, auto-aim, flying vehicles (if you have a lot of it), computer systems.

Everything yellow or more difficulty will need blueprints, and scientists working on it. Note that many devices will require eg. a special engine and normal frame, thus requiring scrappy scrap and nice scrap, and having scientists and crafters working on it.

Scientists can only work with nice scrap. Crafters only with scrappy scrap. Überscrap will require both.

So scrappy scrap would be pipes, plate iron, old rusted frames of whatever you can find, bolts, so on. Nice scrap is basic mechanics or electronics - switches, pilot lights, small chips, resistors, gearboxes, cardans, diodes, pneumatic or hydraulic components, stuff like that. Uberscrap includes electronic or high-end mechanic stuff, like computer components, sensors other than pressure, infrared senders and receivers, lasers and laser-activated sensors, high-capacity electromotors, so on.

[EagleV]

This turn won't use the new scrap system yet. The next one will, if you guys agree.

Spoiler: inteuniso (click to show/hide)

Survivors of Mossena Arcade

The training of your new recruits starts off well. They're all quick learners, and the miners have the hard years of work pay off during the physical tests. They practice a bit on a set of empty cans, and 2 of the miners stand out. Still, all of them will require a lot more training. (1d100 = 78)

The medic still remembers the basics from his time as a nurse, and with the help of the scientists, he has practiced quite a lot today. He knows basic First Aid, though it'll take some days before he has trained enough to cure worse wounds. (1d100 : 71)

The miners make quick progress on the room, and find some patches of iron and aluminium! However, they also breach a pocket of an unkown gas. It explodes, and several of the miners are wounded! (5d100 = 18,93,1,93,67) The filled part on the map is what they are going to do next turn, on auto-pilot.

The scientists look around for something to research, and decide they really want to know what the hell is wrong with the wolf. With the new equipment, they get some interesting information: the metallic cells are not cells, they're tiny robots that act as a replacement for the collagenous that the wolf was missing. However, further examination would require a very precise set of equipment. (2d100 = 60,62)

The craftsman know how to operate the device, though explaining them how it works seems impossible. They won't be able to repair it, but feeding it wood and pressing a button should be easy enough. (1d100 = 32)

The craftsman take care to leak out the blood, and the butchery takes a lot of time, so they don't get to cook it already - though it's nicely cut in pieces not too big to bake, and the blood is in jars in the lab - the meat is clean of bots. (1d100 = 30)

The pump system works well. Too well. The small outlet can't handle the pressure anymore, and with a deafening crack, it shoots away, ripping the pipes off. The crafter that was standing in its path dives away just in time. (1d100 = 4) They wasted 12 scrap.

Your miners head south, and they loot 27 pieces of scrap from the farm and the sheds next to it. They encounter nothing during the trip. (1d100 = 78)

Status:
2420 water
2512 food
33 scrap

Available troops:
48 miners + 3 LW + 5 HW (4 †)
20 scientists
15 crafters
14 traders + 1 MW + 1 HW

96 total

Items:
4 Coil Hunting Rifles
34 Coil Shells
4 Semi-auto 'Mossena' pistols
2 Manual 'Mossena' rifles
25 Mossena Cartridges, 8 shots each
1 Wolf corpse, cut open
10 space suits
Coil Rifle Blueprints (crafting +10%)
2-seater Trike
1 Fist-sized Ruby. What in Hell.
3 small rubies.
1 Old, Rusty Jetpack. What in Hell².
1 Meteorite. What in Hell (tm)
1 Plastics Fabricator
4 pieces of Iron
1 piece of Iron

Outside Buildings:
Trade Depot, space for vehicle, pulley system.
3 x 3 plot
Underground river

Farming:
9 corn plots (2) (o)

Spoiler: x2yzh9 (click to show/hide)

Populus of Palus

The miners study hard, and they're clearly interested in the matter of geology, though they're far from graduated. (1d100 = 76)

The miners scout the area, though they find nothing of interest - apart from a pit trap in the woods... One of them falls in, but avoids the spikes, and, afraid for any further traps, they get back to the bunker immediately. (5d100 = 38,4,51,14,52)

The scientists are not used to the heavy work of digging, and while they finish a small plot, they have no time left to plant the seeds. (3d100 = 27,39,46)

Although one of the crafters severely burns his hand, they get the ore refined. (3d100 = 72,8,69)

Status:
2580 water
2300 food
41 scrap

Available troops:
54 miners + 1 HW
19 scientists + 1 HW
13 crafters + 1 MW
10 traders

100 total

Items:
10 space suits
1 Message-sending radar
1 Rail Turret, uses PoPDarts
100 PoPDarts
13 Pieces of Iron
8 Pieces of Tin
3 Pieces of Platinum
Hazelnuts, for 8 plots
Coil Rifle Blueprints

Outside Buildings:
Rail Turret Emplacement, needs 1 crew on the spot to operate.
2 x 2 farm plot
Pipe to near SMA bunker, hooked up to water supply.

Farming:
5 strawberry plots (2) (i)
2 hazelnut plots (2) (o)

Spoiler: Nirur Torir (click to show/hide)

Torir Hegemony

The farmers go to work quikly, glad they can help the persons that helped them. One of them starts swearing when he encounters an enormous amount of rocks in his plot, ruining it, and cutting his foot when his spade glances off them. Though when the others come take a look they find some valuable ore between the stones! (3d100 = 78,94,5) They find 5 pieces of iron and 4 of aluminium.

The crafters place the machinegun on the buggy. They place it in the middle, on the roof, to keep as much balance as possible. They also use some springs to reduce recoil, and put a trigger on the steering wheel. One of them remarked: "I don't know how the others are doing, but I don't think they are more awesome." (1d100 = 75) They need 7 scrap.

The ammo is fairly basic, and while some of the crafters smelt the Iron, the others assemble the bullets. They get 2 belts ready, each containing 200 bullets, with all the iron they had. (3d100 = 42,44,68)

The scientists study the electric engine. They scrap more than half of the parts, and replace them on their papers with custom-made aluminium ones. The new engine will require a lot of work, but will be both lighter and stronger. (2d100 = 82,65)

Some of the scientists work on a few maps, and they determine a few chokepoints where attackers will likely attack from. Sensors, however, would require very specialized electronics - though trip wires are an option... (2d100 = 34,6)

The rescue groop doesn't find the missing miner. Well, they do, but only partially. judging from the trail of blood, the rest is in the corpse of that big panther over there... A panther? Here? The cause of death is clear! the miner was bitten in half, the animal died from blood loss from drill wounds caused by the miner. (1d100 = 81)

The miners come back with only a little ore, though some of it is the apparently abundant aluminium. One of the miners is heavily wounded - he is unconscious, and misses a finger. Aprat from a crude stretcher with their friend on, the other miners brought 2 aluminium and 4 iron pieces - less than your farmers did... And their is a panther with some arrows sticking out fleeing trough the forest. (7d100 = 7d100=34,34,86,91,34,4,11)

The first group of traders returns with only a few blue berries, but the second is more succesfull, as they found various vegetable seeds in a ruined shack. (2d100 = 41,86)

Status:
2409 water
2209 food
11 scrap

Available troops:
45 miners (5 †)
20 scientists
20 crafters
8 traders (2 †)
5 farmers

98 total

Items:
9 space suits
2 9mm handguns
42 9mm cartridges, 12 ammo each
50 empty AA batteries
10 bows
22 arrows
1 electric buggy
9 pieces of iron
3 pieces of magnetic iron
1 working sixbarrel, no ammo
10 crossbows
100 wooden stakes
1 carwreck
14 pieces of aluminium
Blue berries, for 1 plot
Cabbage seeds, for 3 plots
Tomato seeds, for 3 plots

Outside Buildings:
4 x 4 plot

Spoiler: Current map (click to show/hide)

[inteuniso]

First off... I had a southern corridor. That was where they were supposed to mine.

Second off, grammar sense... tingling!

though explaining them how the it works seems impossible.

Finally, turn, because while I will complain sometimes, I wouldn't mind if you did another turn today, because this is just so full of awesome. The advanced scrap system sounds right, and should be implemented next turn.


Continue training the maggots recruits. Advanced shooting tactics, squad tactics, and more. Prep the 2 miners that are better than the rest for training as marksmen. Finish off with War Games.

Teach the medic advanced first aid with the help of the three scientists. Battlefield surgery, Shock and Trauma treatment, etc.

Have 10 traders head south to the substation. Explore it thoroughly bringing any scrap or anything of the like from it. Bring the trike, all of the pistols, the two rifles, and two coil rifles. The rifles are bolt-action right? (Those can be shot at a rate of about one every 5 seconds if you've shot it a few times. It's fun shooting them.)

Have 5 crafters build another pump.

Have 5 crafters bake that meat. I want fooood.

Have a final 5 crafters build a hauling wagon attachment for the trike. Unpowered, it's used for hauling things and adds storage space. It will make the trike slightly slower, but it should pay off for the expedition.

Have the 50 miners finish what they were doing.

Have 1 miner go out and check the corn. Harvest if ready.


I figure we can go on the expedition next turn or the turn after. I'm going to send two of my soldiers on the trike, which will hopefully haul food and more.

x2yzh9, I seriously suggest you get yourself a vehicle. We will cover much more ground if we are just using vehicles. I would suggest a buggy, truck, or trike. Design it this turn and build it the next, and we'll set out then.

Nirur, stock up on weaponry. If that expedition is out for a week, we'll want them to not resort to clubbing any enemies with weapon stocks.

[EagleV]

Grammar fixed. I don't know where that damned southern corridor went, but I'll add it in a moment.

[x2yzh9]

Populus of Palus

Have 19 scientists research stem cell technology. I think this will help cure population diseases and improve plant production and so on, right?

Have 54 miners do some exploratory mining underground, not under the bunker, with 13 crafters assisting them in building supports. Stop once 20 srap has been used for supports, i don't want my miners dieing.

[Rooster]

Ever heard of grey mass?

[x2yzh9]

Ever heard of grey mass?

No.

[Nirur Torir]

Torir Hegemony

Ideally, I think I'd like to have 70 farm plots, with seven groups of ten. Each group will be planted a day apart. Two farmers will discuss labor plans, planning out how much labor will likely be involved each day. The other three farmers will plant all the seeds.

10 crafters will upgrade the buggy engine, following the blueprint.

10 crafters will craft more wooden crossbows and stakes.

1 miner will man the drill and continue mining aluminum.

10 scientists will try to design an improvised garage. I want a better place to repair and build vehicles, complete with basic specialized tools. (I'll repair and build vehicles for allies, assuming they pay the scrap costs.)

10 scientists will continue figuring out ways to improve the bunker's defenses.

44 miners will follow the scientist's directions to preform the brute force duties associated with improving the defenses.

Diplomats will grab guns and patrol around inside my area. (I assume my farms are within the defense points?)

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Can we get a list of all blueprints and technologies in a separate spoiler?
Also, it seems like it vehicles should be in a separate entry from items.
I'll vote to agree on the new scrap system.

[Rooster]

Ever heard of grey mass?

No.

It's nanobots that went horribly wrong. They start replicating uncontrollably and start consuming all matter.
Roll a 1, and you'll doom them all.

[x2yzh9]

Ever heard of grey mass?

No.

It's nanobots that went horribly wrong. They start replicating uncontrollably and start consuming all matter.
Roll a 1, and you'll doom them all.

Oh yeah, i remember that! They Get into peoples noses and crap and eat them inside and turn them into grey goop right?