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[Jonathan S. Fox]

I do love using glass in my fortress, it's a pure joy aesthetically. I was a little disappointed to see that my green glass windows didn't make everything behind them look green in adventurer mode, and that my legendary thrower hurling a 300-weight uncut limestone boulder at the glass wall between me and a troglodyte didn't result in the glass shattering and the troglodyte becoming best friends for life with the boulder, however. It would also be nice if the more difficult to make glass windows were inherently more valuable, as it would give an incentive to decorate nobles' quarters with finer glasses.

My mother is a craftsdwarf who specializes in glass, and this particular affinity for glass has left me with a desire to see more kinds (colors) of glass possible. As the dwarves are the metal specialists, it would seem that they are the ones best suited to work with glass. Different colors of glass can be made simply by including different metal impurities. For example, if the dwarves were to use gold in their glass, they could make ruby red glass. They could also make opaque shiny shimmering rainbow-ish glass by burning a very thin coat of silver or gold over the glass. There are many different colors of glass and many less valuable metals that can also be used. Note that none of this takes very much metal at all relative to the immense amount that would go into suits of armor or coins.

[mickel]

I want to see more colours of glass too. The fortresses desperately need livening up.

[Turgid Bolk]

I'd love to see this, too. Glass-making is as fun as forging, and maybe moreso. And with z-levels, we can design grand stained-glass windows! Armok will be pleased to see a 30-foot high stained-glass window with his own image, looking down from the heavens on an elephant crushing a dwarf, and backlit by a roaring magma river. (After all, why would a dwarf want to build a window to the outside? )

Mirrors would be cool, too, probably just the basic polished bronze kind. I'm not sure if the dwarves would be up to creating the silver-backed glass kind, or if there would be any advantage to them in DF land. Mirrors will be much more useful when light gets implemented, though.

[Armok]

quote:Originally posted by Turgid Bolk:
<STRONG>Armok will be pleased to see a 30-foot high stained-glass window with his own image, looking down from the heavens on an elephant crushing a dwarf, and backlit by a roaring magma river. (After all, why would a dwarf want to build a window to the outside?  
Although nobles will demand them.  :roll:
(The real nobles, not the appointees that will also be in the next version)

[Karlito]

quote:Originally posted by Jonathan S. Fox:
<STRONG>I was a little disappointed to see that my green glass windows didn't make everything behind them look green in adventurer mode.</STRONG>

I imagine this will go in during the lighting arc.  Hmmm... I think after light and different colors of glass are implemented I'm going to recreate the 7 rooms from Edgar Allen Poe's The Masque of the Red Death    

[ October 15, 2007: Message edited by: Karlito ]

[Tahin]

quote:Originally posted by Karlito:
<STRONG>

I imagine this will go in during the lighting arc.  Hmmm... I think after light and different colors of glass are implemented I'm going to recreate the 7 rooms from Edgar Allen Poe's The Masque of the Red Death      

[ October 15, 2007: Message edited by: Karlito ]</STRONG>

You realize that you just linked to http.com, right?
The correct link is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death

Sorry, just correcting any potential confusion.

[ October 16, 2007: Message edited by: Tahin ]

[Thassa]

Found this thread while first looking for stained glass.  Guess it's already been covered, and I don't have anything to add to that.  Then thought about lead glass.. did some research..

And it turns out the main addition to normal clear glass would be the result of baking lead in a kiln (as near as I can tell, it's not in place of pearlash, it's yet another ingredient).  It can also be added when taking raw clear glass and forming it into an object.

It would be similar to clear glass in many respects (though more valuable), but can also do some things clear glass can't, like be made into a prism.

And, going back to stained glass, I love the idea of stained glass murals, for a dwarven great hall, only instead of being lit by the sun, it's lit by the glow of the magma vent that powers the workshops.    

[Hague]

I created a colored glass mod a little while ago. The basic effect was that it created glass gemstones out of green glass that could be made into gem windows. You could further smelt them into a "metal" (a metal such as "red glass") and build typical things out of them. Not perfect since you need an anvil to make glass "metal" objects but you can cut the glass and make windows and encrust your giant spider silk dresses in fake jewels.

[ April 21, 2008: Message edited by: Hague ]

[Thassa]

I know about some glass mods.  I just would like some new uses for glass (ie cathedral style multistory windows, with all that that implies), and maybe the glass making moved out of hardcoding, into something similar to the smelters files.  Then we could have all sorts of glass and ceramics.  Which brings up something else.

Clay pottery came around even earlier then glass did, and remains common today.  That would require some way to collect clay of course (similar to sand?).  The simplest pottery is just baked clay, with glazes and enamels and special firing processes to make more advanced types.  Much of this would be conducted at the kiln of course since it's a different process from glass making, but they share quite a bit of ground (the baking lead I mentioned produced two products, one the froth was added to lead glass, and the other was used to give a lead base to many enamels which made them last longer).

[Chaz Turbo]

I remember reading about making things with clay/pottery in the required things, old bugs and priority requests list.  So it some things are just going to need som time before they are implemented.

[Neonivek]

"I want to see more colours of glass too"

For the most part the current colors of glass is in fact different purities of glass... (I believe)

[Thassa]

Not quite.  Raw green glass is what you get when you melt silica.  It is pretty difficult to see through, and the colour isn't all that nice, but it does tend to be cheap since all you need is sand and fuel.  Pearlash or soda will change the basic structure so the result is clearer.  Adding lead changes the refractive index even more and gives the glass a number of interesting physical properties (for starters the ringing tone if you tap it).

Stained glass is where you take another type of glass (most likely clear glass) and add metallic salts of various types to get various colours.  You can also get colouration by baking on a glaze (again based on mineral salts) which wouldn't be as deep, but would be easier to see though.

[Draco18s]

I like what goes in to make red glass, at least originally.

Gold.

[Neoskel]

It would be cool if we could use some of the currently useless stone for glass colors: brimstone(sulfur) for yellow glass, pyrolusite(manganese dioxide) for violet/purple, cobaltite(cobalt) for blue. And a really expensive ruby red glass from gold is pretty much a given i guess. Is there selenium in the game? That would probably be a cheaper source of red glass. (all based on information gleaned from wikipedia, and the raws)

Oh, hi forum. Love the game. 

[Grek]

Selenite is in the game as a stone.