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[gimli]

Guys I was always wondering, that why is there only a few civs in DF. Right now we have dwarves, goblins, humans and elves.
I think we definitely need more races. yes we can make mods and add new civs, however those will replace an existing civilization. [afaik] I think the number of civs must expand, or at least allow the modders to add new civs without replace an existing civilization. 1 evil race [goblins] just wont be enough, especially after the military arc will be completed. I would like to see at least 8 civs in my games.  

[ March 24, 2008: Message edited by: gimli ]

[Jreengus]

I think I read somewhere that more civs = slower world gen and thats certainly the last thing I want right now.

[Kagus]

If you just tone down the populations, it really isn't that bad gen-wise.  However, you won't be that likely to get all eight of them on the same map, because of the way worldgen works nowadays.

[gimli]

quote:Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>If you just tone down the populations, it really isn't that bad gen-wise.  However, you won't be that likely to get all eight of them on the same map, because of the way worldgen works nowadays.</STRONG>

Yes but still there would be the possibility, also with the army arc we will be able to expand our "realm" thus making contact with more civs, and not just with the existing few.
As for world gen, I dont care about the speed really, since the gameplay is what matters, and having new civs would be awesome gameplay wise.
We have 3 good/neutral civs now and 1 evil...this is nothing close to enough in my book.

[ March 24, 2008: Message edited by: gimli ]

[Draco18s]

The other thing you can do to speed up world gen is to pick a smaller world.  Standard is 257x257, you could do the next size down (medium?) at 129x129 and still have plenty of room for everyone, yet using a map with 1/4 the area.

[Pollux]

Minor Nitpick: Technically, we have two evil civilizations (goblins and kobolds).

 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Kobolds are not Evil. They are a nuisance, even to goblins.

[Capntastic]

You can mod in civs as you please, I thought.

[gimli]

quote:Originally posted by Capntastic:
<STRONG>You can mod in civs as you please, I thought.</STRONG>

Correct, but if you mod a new one in, it will replace an existing civilization, that is the problem.

[apache1990]

It will?

[gimli]

quote:Originally posted by apache1990:
<STRONG>It will?</STRONG>

Yes that is what I heard at least a couple of times....Ive never tried modding yet...so any experienced modder can confirm it?

[Mephansteras]

I've added in quite a few civs, so I think I can safely talk about this.  

What people mean by "replace" a civ is that you can only have a few civs active near a fortress. You get the Dwarves that you're from, a friendly spring civ, a friendly summer civ, an evil civ, and a nuisance civ. You might be able to have a friendly winter civ...haven't tried that yet, although it's on my list of things to do.

What this means is that while your world can have tons of civs on it, you'll only see a few of them per fortress. I did discover, though, that reclaiming a fortress that's near several different civs can cause it to change which ones are active. So the evil race that wiped out my fortress didn't come back for second, I just got goblins.

Still, even adding in races adds some nice variety to the game. I'm all for different official civs! Especially since they could have a lot more flavor then the limited changes we can make now.

[gimli]

quote:Originally posted by Mephansteras:
<STRONG>I've added in quite a few civs, so I think I can safely talk about this.  

What people mean by "replace" a civ is that you can only have a few civs active near a fortress. You get the Dwarves that you're from, a friendly spring civ, a friendly summer civ, an evil civ, and a nuisance civ. You might be able to have a friendly winter civ...haven't tried that yet, although it's on my list of things to do.

What this means is that while your world can have tons of civs on it, you'll only see a few of them per fortress. I did discover, though, that reclaiming a fortress that's near several different civs can cause it to change which ones are active. So the evil race that wiped out my fortress didn't come back for second, I just got goblins.

Still, even adding in races adds some nice variety to the game. I'm all for different official civs! Especially since they could have a lot more flavor then the limited changes we can make now.</STRONG>

Allright so basically..lets say we mod in 4 new civs...theorically after the military ARC will be fully functional, and we can expand the borders of our "kingdom", we can make contact with more civs later on? Um I think only Toady would know the answer to this question.

[Lyrax]

quote:Originally posted by Pollux:
<STRONG>Minor Nitpick: Technically, we have two evil civilizations (goblins and kobolds).</STRONG>

Meta-nitpick: Technically, kobolds are not a civilization.  They are a barbarian entity.

[gimli]

Ok either way let me fix up the current problem: even if you can mod in new civs, the player can have contact with max 3. civs at the same time. So my suggestion is: let the player have contact with at least 8 different [modded in as it is now] civs in the same time.