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« Reply #585 on: January 14, 2010, 03:27:56 am »

On one hand, we have one person saying video games based on movies are not good because the dev team knows no one smart will touch it and on the other, someone saying video games based on movies are not good because there is almost no way in making it good.

Is this getting through to you at all?
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« Reply #586 on: January 14, 2010, 12:23:25 pm »

Heh, I was saying that, but didn't pursue it coz it's not important. I thought the "can't do it" is obvious. Everyone knows that you things cost time and money. It's well, obvious. Time seems to be the factor you are arguing here.

Well, most movie games don't get a budget of time -> crap games
Most gamers think movie games = crap
Non gamers have little opinion on movie games.
Most producers don't bother to set aside a huge budget (read: time/money) for it, because they have a huge negative marketing penalty to hardcore gamers, and a huge marketing bonus to movie fanatics who don't play games.

It's a loop. The Nash Equilibrium here suggests that maximum profits are to be made by setting the budget to minimum, since idiots will buy the game no matter how bad it is. Ask anyone who makes a movie tie-in, it's purely for profit, as your audience will not appreciate quality/creativity. You just want something as good as a basic Disney theme park ride, where people can scream, "Hey, that was in the movie!"

Avatar has a decent length from writing to production.. not to mention that a lot of the animations and equipment for it is already there. The world is all designed and ready. They can make a good, interactive game and have a decent amount time to do it.

Besides, people start a big budget movie with the intent that it'd succeed well and to milk as much money from it as they can. Look at LOTR, Harry Potter. There's more than enough time to make a good movie and it's guaranteed to succeed. But you don't see any AAA games based on them. They have the time and money to hire an elite team to make one, but it's just not going to be worth it. It's most profitable to aim low.
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« Reply #587 on: January 14, 2010, 04:04:49 pm »

Well, I saw this movie... and I thought it was great. Of course, I don’t see movies that much, so maybe my definition of great is different from most others… but considering that I see maybe 2-3 movies a year, and never a movie twice… I would have to say that the fact that I am considering seeing this movie a third time is pretty impressive.
I have seen that allot of people complain that the story is mediocre, and they are probably right.
It’s pretty hard for a sci-fi original story to catch on to the general audience... I mean, think about how hard it is to get a friend to play dwarf fortress.  James Cameron was pretty much forced to play it by the book, and so while the setting was original, the story, and the characters were pretty standard.  It was predictable, but then again, Titanic was also.  (Ship hits iceberg and sinks…. Duh)

That said though, the movie was supposed to be significantly longer than it was, and allot of character development that would have made the characters much more well rounded had to be cut to allow the film to fit inside the IMAX film canisters. 
It is a shame that a lot of the criticism about the movie being shallow, would be fixed if we saw the “director’s cut”.  For example:
In one cut scene, in which was probably meant to be the scene where if you haven’t gotten to the point where you were emotionally attached to the characters, you are going to become attached now. (or, your heart is so hard that nothing is going to touch you, and you might as well get up and walk out of the theater now)…
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The bad guys also get a bit of depth… at one point …
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How much of this missing material is going to make it into the dvd? I don’t know… they clearly changed some things from the original script.
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Anyway… I think the movie’s plot and story will be deeper and richer when we get to see the whole thing, but that doesn’t mean you should wait for the dvd.   The movie is best in 3d, (I have seen it in both 2d and 3d), and as long as you go in there with an open mind, and watch it with uncrossed arms, (im serious about that) and you are not an insensitive prick, you will definitely enjoy, maybe even fall in love with, this movie, I was teary-eyed almost the entire time… although it is hard to tell if it is from  becoming attached to the characters, or if it was just the amazing effects.
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« Reply #588 on: January 14, 2010, 05:16:31 pm »

I am constantly entertained by seeing this thread and the "Rate the avatar of the person above you" thread next to each other in my Updated Topics list.

I'd imagine if the humans on Pandora had more free time, they'd arrange something like that. :)
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« Reply #589 on: January 14, 2010, 05:20:13 pm »

Avatar Avatars?

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« Reply #590 on: January 14, 2010, 05:27:06 pm »

Grace talks about how the school was closed down... not because the na’vi left, but because a few troopers came in the middle of class, and act of vengeance for the destruction of a bulldozer, start shooting the place up.   Naytiri’s sister, (you didn’t know she had a older sister, did you? If you look closely at those 3d photographs in the shack, there she is)  is killed, and Grace takes a bullet before the scene is over.

Sounds like they were asking for it.
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« Reply #591 on: January 14, 2010, 05:28:54 pm »

Yes, charging into a school and shooting children is a perfectly acceptible repercussion for vandalism.

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« Reply #592 on: January 14, 2010, 07:15:33 pm »

On one hand, we have one person saying video games based on movies are not good because the dev team knows no one smart will touch it and on the other, someone saying video games based on movies are not good because there is almost no way in making it good.

Is this getting through to you at all?
Surely you are not arguing that smart people wouldn't touch it out of some kind of intellectual elitism, right? When it was stated that smart people wouldn't touch it, I think it was pretty much implied that this would be because of the low quality of movie based games. Which comes full circle to the reasons of this low quality. Thus, as I see things, they are arguing pretty much the same thing. "Smart players" wont touch "Nacho Libre: the game" because they know that it's low quality.
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« Reply #593 on: January 14, 2010, 07:17:16 pm »

So does that make it some sort of self-reinforcing bias?

Or am I misunderstanding that?
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« Reply #594 on: January 14, 2010, 07:18:06 pm »

I am constantly entertained by seeing this thread and the "Rate the avatar of the person above you" thread next to each other in my Updated Topics list.

I'd imagine if the humans on Pandora had more free time, they'd arrange something like that. :)
Considering the reasoning behind Jake getting to Pandora, (Avatars are expensive) I think not.
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« Reply #595 on: January 14, 2010, 08:22:19 pm »

On one hand, we have one person saying video games based on movies are not good because the dev team knows no one smart will touch it and on the other, someone saying video games based on movies are not good because there is almost no way in making it good.

Is this getting through to you at all?
Surely you are not arguing that smart people wouldn't touch it out of some kind of intellectual elitism, right? When it was stated that smart people wouldn't touch it, I think it was pretty much implied that this would be because of the low quality of movie based games. Which comes full circle to the reasons of this low quality. Thus, as I see things, they are arguing pretty much the same thing. "Smart players" wont touch "Nacho Libre: the game" because they know that it's low quality.

The argument is why games based on movies are bad. Not why smart people won't touch it. The reason given for why games based on movies are bad on one side was that the dev team doesn't bother because they know that smart people won't go near it because most video games based on movies are bad. This is not the case. The dev team will not make a good game because they simply can't. Everything conspires against them, and the chances of producing a good game are infinitesimal.

Therefore: the answer to the question 'why are video games based on movies are bad' is not 'because people won't go near them and therefore the devs won't bother' but because 'restrictions make it so'. People don't go near them because they are low quality, so yes, I agree with you there. But one side claimed that the games bad because the devs don't bother because the people won't touch it and the other side claim that the game is bad because the devs simply don't have the ability to make a good game with the restrictions applying to them. This side is the one I'm on.

Wow, I think I reiterated my point nearly half a dozen times there.
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« Reply #596 on: January 14, 2010, 11:44:42 pm »

On one hand, we have one person saying video games based on movies are not good because the dev team knows no one smart will touch it and on the other, someone saying video games based on movies are not good because there is almost no way in making it good.

Is this getting through to you at all?
Surely you are not arguing that smart people wouldn't touch it out of some kind of intellectual elitism, right? When it was stated that smart people wouldn't touch it, I think it was pretty much implied that this would be because of the low quality of movie based games. Which comes full circle to the reasons of this low quality. Thus, as I see things, they are arguing pretty much the same thing. "Smart players" wont touch "Nacho Libre: the game" because they know that it's low quality.

The argument is why games based on movies are bad. Not why smart people won't touch it. The reason given for why games based on movies are bad on one side was that the dev team doesn't bother because they know that smart people won't go near it because most video games based on movies are bad. This is not the case. The dev team will not make a good game because they simply can't. Everything conspires against them, and the chances of producing a good game are infinitesimal.

Therefore: the answer to the question 'why are video games based on movies are bad' is not 'because people won't go near them and therefore the devs won't bother' but because 'restrictions make it so'. People don't go near them because they are low quality, so yes, I agree with you there. But one side claimed that the games bad because the devs don't bother because the people won't touch it and the other side claim that the game is bad because the devs simply don't have the ability to make a good game with the restrictions applying to them. This side is the one I'm on.

Wow, I think I reiterated my point nearly half a dozen times there.
Urrr I think is get it :) You repeated a lot of the words you said.
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« Reply #597 on: January 15, 2010, 01:46:12 am »

I was making absolutely every effort to make sure I wasn't misunderstood.
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« Reply #598 on: January 15, 2010, 02:05:58 am »

Ha, I get it.
Though that is quite the mouthful.
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« Reply #599 on: January 15, 2010, 02:13:12 am »

Phew. I was afraid people'd get lost.
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