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[Asehujiko]

What I liked:
Internet God and MMO addict prophet save the world some moon in the middle of nowhere.
$300.000.000 CGI jungles.

What disliked:
Stupid tactics. "Hey we have a plane that can achieve escape velocity and go to space! Let's fly at a brisk walking pace and drop a bomb from 100 meters or so!"
Headache inducing 3d.
Half the movie being padding and showing off the rendering engine.

[Neruz]

Stupid tactics. "Hey we have a plane that can achieve escape velocity and go to space! Let's fly at a brisk walking pace and drop a bomb from 100 meters or so!"

You do realise that with the tree being in the heart of a forest of floating mountains that pretty much ruin things like radar and GPS, you know, standard targeting software things, there was literally no other way to get the ordinance to the target?

[Pathos]

You do realise that with the tree being in the heart of a forest of floating mountains that pretty much ruin things like radar and GPS, you know, standard targeting software things, there was literally no other way to get the ordinance to the target?

And that is why you drop a stupidly large bomb, instead of a crappy small ones.

[Neruz]

You do realise that with the tree being in the heart of a forest of floating mountains that pretty much ruin things like radar and GPS, you know, standard targeting software things, there was literally no other way to get the ordinance to the target?

And that is why you drop a stupidly large bomb, instead of a crappy small ones.

Which you get from.... where?

[Pillow_Killer]

From higher goddamn ground. Stop. Flying. Low. The only reason they were shot down is because stupid natives could get close to them, since they were flying too low.  I mean, hell, that thing is capable of doing transorbital flights, with multiple reentries. Bring it somewhere higher willya?

[Sir Pseudonymous]

Honestly, unless the bomb was guided, it would have little chance of hitting its target even if aimed perfectly from only a few miles up. I've also read that the equipment they were working with was industrial, not military, so it probably wouldn't really have targeting systems, certainly nothing that could aim a bomb that accurately.

Note that I haven't seen avatar yet, because although I have the DVD available, I'm waiting until I have some beer to watch it, as I've been told it's not a movie to watch sober/I don't really want to see it and it's an excuse to get drunk. :3

[Neruz]

From higher goddamn ground. Stop. Flying. Low. The only reason they were shot down is because stupid natives could get close to them, since they were flying too low.  I mean, hell, that thing is capable of doing transorbital flights, with multiple reentries. Bring it somewhere higher willya?

The problem is, you go higher and there are now a bunch of floating mountains between you and your target.

Also, GPS doesn't work, so you don't actually know where the target is in the first place. That mountain range was huge, there was no way in hell they were ever going to hit the tree just firing blindly at it.



And yes; they were a mercenary 'guard' operation, not a military force. They didn't have any heavy munitions or bombers in the first place.

[Pillow_Killer]

From higher goddamn ground. Stop. Flying. Low. The only reason they were shot down is because stupid natives could get close to them, since they were flying too low.  I mean, hell, that thing is capable of doing transorbital flights, with multiple reentries. Bring it somewhere higher willya?

The problem is, you go higher and there are now a bunch of floating mountains between you and your target.

Also, GPS doesn't work, so you don't actually know where the target is in the first place. That mountain range was huge, there was no way in hell they were ever going to hit the tree just firing blindly at it.



And yes; they were a mercenary 'guard' operation, not a military force. They didn't have any heavy munitions or bombers in the first place.

They had demolition charges. Makes good enough explosives.
They had ATTACK HELICOPTERS too. Really?
Sides, I failed to spot a single flying rock above the tree.

[Pathos]

Which you get from.... where?

It's a heavily armed military base on a planet filled with hostile natives.

Also, American.

Can you say bomb happy?

[Neruz]

From higher goddamn ground. Stop. Flying. Low. The only reason they were shot down is because stupid natives could get close to them, since they were flying too low.  I mean, hell, that thing is capable of doing transorbital flights, with multiple reentries. Bring it somewhere higher willya?

The problem is, you go higher and there are now a bunch of floating mountains between you and your target.

Also, GPS doesn't work, so you don't actually know where the target is in the first place. That mountain range was huge, there was no way in hell they were ever going to hit the tree just firing blindly at it.



And yes; they were a mercenary 'guard' operation, not a military force. They didn't have any heavy munitions or bombers in the first place.

They had demolition charges. Makes good enough explosives.
They had ATTACK HELICOPTERS too. Really?
Sides, I failed to spot a single flying rock above the tree.

Have you seen the Pandoran wildlife? Attack helicopters count as 'Light Munitions'.

And actually, demolition charges make shitty bombs. They make great demolition charges though. Odd that.


A quick check also shows that the tree was covered in giant stone arch things, and that there were plenty of floating mountains above the shuttle as it was flying around. So it's safe to say there probably wasn't much in the way of 'clear line of sight' for a high altitude bomb run. And even if there was, there was no way to target the bomb run anyway, cuz the mountains EM field fucks up targeting systems.

It's a heavily armed military base on a planet filled with hostile natives.

Also, American.

Can you say bomb happy?

It's a lightly armed civilian base with a small mercenary force for self defense. Plenty of guns, not much in the way of bombs.

Everything the Sky People military had was supposed to be for guarding the base and mining operations against Pandoran wildlife. Bombs tend not to be defensive weapons. Bombs are also usually used against fixed and\or entrenched targets, something you're not going to find much of when your main enemy is wildlife and tribal natives fighting a geurilla war.

And, as i said before, even if they did have bombs, they had no way to deliver them to the target.

--EDIT--

Also i feel i should add; the Humans won. They beat the Na'vi. They won. They won right up until the planet itself decided to kick their ass.

At that point it didn't matter if they were a fully fledged military force or not, when every living thing on the entire planet resolves to kill you, you are dead.


And technically even then, they were still winning. The only reason the shuttle went down was because Jake had nicked some grenades from somewhere; if he didn't have those, then even with the entire planet against them they still would have blown up that damn tree.

[Pathos]

It's a lightly armed civilian base with a small mercenary force for self defense. Plenty of guns, not much in the way of bombs.

Everything the Sky People military had was supposed to be for guarding the base and mining operations against Pandoran wildlife. Bombs tend not to be defensive weapons. Bombs are also usually used against fixed and\or entrenched targets, something you're not going to find much of when your main enemy is wildlife and tribal natives fighting a geurilla war.

And, as i said before, even if they did have bombs, they had no way to deliver them to the target.

First off, assault helicopters, exosuits et al aren't exactly what I'd call a part of a small mercenary force.

Secondly, they weren't REALLY fighting a guerilla war, as could be seen from the massive tree that the guys inhabited that was easily reached by helicopters and subsequently blown up (explosives? bombs? rockets with a massive payload capable of breaking carbon nanotubing or whatever it was? there's your bombs?). Guerilla warfare requires no definable centres of habitation.

I don't know, man, if I was capable of space travel, I think I'd be capable of pinpointing a target through usage of a drone. You get your GPS or whatever set up on the outside, you send your drones in from different directions and when they cross over the target or get close to it, you triangulate the position of the target and launch some long range rockets at it. Boom, gone.

[Neruz]

First off, assault helicopters, exosuits et al aren't exactly what I'd call a part of a small mercenary force.

The Exosuits were modified civilian equipment; they were intended to basically serve as all-terrain forklifts. The choppers, well, like i said, take a look at the Pandoran wildlife, those choppers were totally justified.

Secondly, they weren't REALLY fighting a guerilla war, as could be seen from the massive tree that the guys inhabited that was easily reached by helicopters and subsequently blown up (explosives? bombs? rockets with a massive payload capable of breaking carbon nanotubing or whatever it was? there's your bombs?). Guerilla warfare requires no definable centres of habitation.

Yeah, but they had to find the tree first. Technically the Na'vi weren't actually fighting a war at all; they didn't see it as a war, they just saw the Sky People as annoyances best ignored, or shot at if they got too nosey.

I don't know, man, if I was capable of space travel, I think I'd be capable of pinpointing a target through usage of a drone. You get your GPS or whatever set up on the outside, you send your drones in from different directions and when they cross over the target or get close to it, you triangulate the position of the target and launch some long range rockets at it. Boom, gone.

Can't use drones; radio don't work. No way to get information back from the drones (assuming you have any in teh first place).

Remember; they were supposed to be a defensive force, a security escort so to speak, explain again how remote controlled drones and long-range target finding serve a defensive purpose against native wildlife and angry tribal warriors?



Basically, you've made the same mistake alot of people did; you assumed that was a fully fledged military operation specifically sent out to wage war on the Na'vi. It wasn't; it was a mercenary operation employed to protect company assets. The movie didn't do a very good job of actually making that clear, unfortunately.

[Pathos]

Yeah, but they had to find the tree first. Technically the Na'vi weren't actually fighting a war at all; they didn't see it as a war, they just saw the Sky People as annoyances best ignored, or shot at if they got too nosey.

You mean the massive tree that they talked about at the start?

Can't use drones; radio don't work. No way to get information back from the drones (assuming you have any in teh first place).

Remember; they were supposed to be a defensive force, a security escort so to speak, explain again how remote controlled drones and long-range target finding serve a defensive purpose against native wildlife and angry tribal warriors?

I wonder what usage flying remote-controlled drones could have on a mining operation on an extremely hostile planet. =p

[Neruz]

Yeah, but they had to find the tree first. Technically the Na'vi weren't actually fighting a war at all; they didn't see it as a war, they just saw the Sky People as annoyances best ignored, or shot at if they got too nosey.

You mean the massive tree that they talked about at the start?

Oh that tree.

What about that tree? They blew that tree up, i thought we were talking about the other tree.

Can't use drones; radio don't work. No way to get information back from the drones (assuming you have any in teh first place).

Remember; they were supposed to be a defensive force, a security escort so to speak, explain again how remote controlled drones and long-range target finding serve a defensive purpose against native wildlife and angry tribal warriors?

I wonder what usage flying remote-controlled drones could have on a mining operation on an extremely hostile planet. =p

I don't know, what usage exactly would they serve, considering they already knew where all the unobtainium deposits were?

[Pathos]

Oh that tree.

What about that tree? They blew that tree up, i thought we were talking about the other tree.

With explosives. Bombs. Rockets. RPGs. Whatever they were.

They made it go boom. See what I'm getting at, here?

I don't know, what usage exactly would they serve, considering they already knew where all the unobtainium deposits were?

DID they know where all the deposits were? And how? I thought they only knew where some of them were.

Surveillance of Na'zi is another one, as is searching out nests of dangerous wildlife to eradicate and being able to research from a base without having to send out human / Na'vi bodied researchers into a dangerous landscape.

Also, the whole episode reminded me of this South Park episode but stupider.